What If? Jean Grey didn't die during New X-Men?

[AHRNIHAL]

Jean would have been able to figure out what was wrong with Wanda (Life Force possession/mental breakdown), something Emma's "let's put her down" was incapable of doing.

Everything after that is very different.

Really?LOL.What would she do?Tell the avengers office to go to hell by breaking reality?

[AHRNIHAL]

Precisely. Real talk those events would play out the same way. Marvel wanted to limit the X-Men. The only difference Jean may have been the one to cause HoM and go crazy as that is her thing. So Xavier's student destroying his Dream so House of X rather then M. Then she would be in limbo for 7 years and come back. Name a single character that has not been character assassinated. Jeans turn will come

I really think Jean would've caused it if she was alive,marvel won't let "blood" on avengers hand if they had the chance.

[ExodusCloak]

I really think Jean would've caused it if she was alive,marvel won't let "blood" on avengers hand if they had the chance.

With Jean being the most hated mutant on the planet? And the X-Men take her back causing them to loose standing.

[Drey]

Cyclops changed drastically after Jean's death. A controversial argument among fans if he changed for the best or for the worst.

Emma Frost became the queen of the X-Men.

Both characters became a power couple involved with some of the best X-Men stories we got post Jean's death. Gifted and Second Coming to name a few.

I loved Emma as queen of the X-men. It really boosted her popularity.

[Triniking1234]

How do you guys think she would have changed during the decade and a half preceding her return? From House of M's "No more mutants." To Utopia, the Schism, AvX and any other notable era I could be forgetting. Do you think she and Scott would have worked things out? And if they had, would she have become a mutant revolutionary like him? Or would she have been able to show the X-Men a different path?

> Most likely she and Scott (and Emma) would've worked things out after their encounter with Xorn.
> House of M, Decimation and Deadly Genesis would still happen.
> Messiah Complex might still happen but the child isn't Jean 2.0
> If Messiah Complex happened she still would've been around for the status quo change
> Schism might've still happened. Maybe Scott and Jean vs. Logan and Emma
> Hope-based storylines might not happen or play out differently
> No past X-Men travelling to the future.
> Jean might've had a bigger role in Time Runs Out/Secret Wars as Phoenix
> Terrigen Mist garbage plays out differently (Scott might still die or her instead)
>

[Striderblack01]

Apparently, I’m an old man who posts stuff in wrong threads.
Ignore this!

[Star_Jammer]

Really?LOL.What would she do?Tell the avengers office to go to hell by breaking reality?

Sure. Right after she broke reality and nullified Grant Morrison before he kills her.

We can either discuss this metatextually (which is pointless) or otherwise; not both.

[AHRNIHAL]

Sure. Right after she broke reality and nullified Grant Morrison before he kills her.

We can either discuss this metatextually (which is pointless) or otherwise; not both.

You need to take your own advice then.

[Digifiend]

> No past X-Men travelling to the future.

That one has implications for other books. Of course All-New X-Men and X-Men Blue would've had different casts. All-New Wolverine would've played out slightly differently because of Angel's absence. Champions #2-18 would've been different because they'd have had to have a different sixth member.

[FUBAR007]

> Most likely she and Scott (and Emma) would've worked things out after their encounter with Xorn.
> House of M, Decimation and Deadly Genesis would still happen.
> Messiah Complex might still happen but the child isn't Jean 2.0
> If Messiah Complex happened she still would've been around for the status quo change
> Schism might've still happened. Maybe Scott and Jean vs. Logan and Emma
> Hope-based storylines might not happen or play out differently
> No past X-Men travelling to the future.
> Jean might've had a bigger role in Time Runs Out/Secret Wars as Phoenix
> Terrigen Mist garbage plays out differently (Scott might still die or her instead)
>

IMO, things would've played out mostly the same until "End of Greys" when the Shi'ar wiped out the Grey family. That's the inflection point. Jean would've been really, supremely pissed off. It would've been her and Scott going after Vulcan instead of Alex and Lorna in "The Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire." I think that would've played out much as it did so Scott and Jean would've been stuck in space until after "War of Kings."

That would've left Storm, Havok, Wolverine, and Emma as the potential leader figures on Earth with the X-Men. With Scott in space after "Deadly Genesis", it's possible Xavier would've reasserted his leadership role and been in charge when Scott and Jean got back. Perhaps, then, "Schism" would've still happened but in a different way. Xavier on one side, Scott and Jean on the other. Or, maybe not. Where things get really interesting is with AvX. Would Jean have taken Emma's place among the Phoenix Five? Or, given her past experience with the Phoenix, would she have rejected it and opposed the P5? Would Jean becoming a Phoenix again negated the need for Hope? Could Jean have restarted the X-gene herself?

[ariwl1]

Where Wanda was concerned, I picture Jean trying harder than most to really try to dive in and help her, but it would have proved futile and House of M would have still happened.

[Triniking1234]

Deadly Genesis would be before Rise and Fall of Shi'ar since that's the first appearance of Vulcan. Honestly if Deadly Genesis occured with Jean and the other 4 OGs still alive, the 5 of them would've still kicked out Xavier and taken over school operations. Rachel and Alex might still be on the team that goes after Vulcan while the O5 run the School on Earth.

AvX is a pain to figure out how it would turn out since it relies on plots set up in Decimation and Messiah Complex.

[Dante Milton]

I could see Marvel depowering her on M-Day. Then, without powers, the Phoenix has no interest in her so they have to find some other way to solve it, or Hope becomes the new Phoenix host. So almost everything up to AvX would stay the same, except Jean and Scott would probably have stayed together.

[The Thunderbird]

Relationships might be different but there would still be conflict. The X-Office mandates would override any character. On another note X-Men Red probably wouldn't exist or would be radically different. Jean might be a bit different too from the ways she could have been written over the 14 years she spent dead.

[Star_Jammer]

You need to take your own advice then.

My original post on the matter was an in-universe thought on what I viewed would have happened.

You responded with a metatextual explanation.

I then explained why it’s silly to view this metatextually, because if we did, then Jean Grey never survives and discussion in this thread is pointless.

So...what?