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    Default Sometimes You Need People on the Outside: The Outsiders Appreciation Thread 2018

    I figured with the return of the Outsiders, it's time for an appreciation thread in honor of Batman's black-ops team.



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    Batman and the Outsiders (1983-1987) #1

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    Featuring the first appearance of Geo-Force and Katana. Batman quits the Justice League after they refuse to help him recover Lucius Fox from freedom fighters in Markovia--prompting the Dark Knight to form his own rescue team.

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    Art by
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    June 1 1983

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    I'm a bit concerned with this series. I didn't read the issues of Detective Comics that Hill started the idea in, and all the solicitation blubs make it sound like we'll be stuck with Bruce as Bat-Jerk, always keeping secrets from his "team".

    Can't see that situation working out too well for too long, so will Batman's attitude change or will the team tell Batman to screw himself and leave him before that?

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    This isn't a knock on this team, but from an internal perspective, it's pretty strange that a "black-ops team" created by Batman doesn't include the most obvious Bat who fits that description, especially when this team's first order of business is almost exactly the sort of thing she was recently fighting (and dismantling almost singlehandedly, besides).

    I hope that gets addressed somehow, even just as "she's busy with other stuff".
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    Probably because the team was:
    1) Created decades before Batwoman
    2) Already has its quota of Bat characters. Particularly Batman himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armor of God View Post
    Probably because the team was:
    1) Created decades before Batwoman
    2) Already has its quota of Bat characters. Particularly Batman himself.
    Internal reasons, I said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caivu View Post
    This isn't a knock on this team, but from an internal perspective, it's pretty strange that a "black-ops team" created by Batman doesn't include the most obvious Bat who fits that description, especially when this team's first order of business is almost exactly the sort of thing she was recently fighting (and dismantling almost singlehandedly, besides).

    I hope that gets addressed somehow, even just as "she's busy with other stuff".
    I doubt Batwoman will be mentioned at all. The thing with Outsiders is, it's pretty much has always been a predominantly metahuman team. Also there are plenty teams that "should" have certain characters as members but never did. I mean, Tim Drake, Bronze Tiger, or any of Batman's endless contacts could've been on this team. you just gotta roll with it sometimes, ya know?

    In-story, Bruce picked Duke and Cass particularly because he felt Jefferson could properly teach/train them better than he could. Batwoman doesn't need training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    I'm a bit concerned with this series. I didn't read the issues of Detective Comics that Hill started the idea in, and all the solicitation blubs make it sound like we'll be stuck with Bruce as Bat-Jerk, always keeping secrets from his "team".

    Can't see that situation working out too well for too long, so will Batman's attitude change or will the team tell Batman to screw himself and leave him before that?
    I wouldn't judge stories based on solicitations, they tend to be misleading. The solicits made it seem like Duke was going to play a major role in the Detective comics run that set this series up; immediately got blown up and sidelined the entire arc. Hell, they hit on this same "Trust Batman?" angle too and I don't think that even came up in there either.

    That being said, I would like for the team to step away from Batman and just be The Outsiders at some point.
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    Honestly I find it more questionable that they put teenagers that still need someone to teach/train them on a "black-ops team". But the problem of having charcters on the team that don't really fit to the black-ops part is not exactly a new one when it comes to the Outsiders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aahz View Post
    Honestly I find it more questionable that they put teenagers that still need someone to teach/train them on a "black-ops team". But the problem of having charcters on the team that don't really fit to the black-ops part is not exactly a new one when it comes to the Outsiders.
    I mean, Cass has been on the team before, though I think she was closer to 19 instead of the 15-17 range we have now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by millernumber1 View Post
    I mean, Cass has been on the team before, though I think she was closer to 19 instead of the 15-17 range we have now.
    It's not only the age, Cass was back than allready Batgirl for quite some time (and if you don't ignore the OYL-Nonsense actually lead a part of the League of Assassins), and much more adjusted to a normal life.
    The current Cass an the other hand, was iirc at the end of Tynions Run put under the care of Barbara and Leslie Tompkins, because they came to the conclusion that she needs some kind of normal life outside of beeing on a team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aahz View Post
    It's not only the age, Cass was back than allready Batgirl for quite some time (and if you don't ignore the OYL-Nonsense actually lead a part of the League of Assassins), and much more adjusted to a normal life.
    The current Cass an the other hand, was iirc at the end of Tynions Run put under the care of Barbara and Leslie Tompkins, because they came to the conclusion that she needs some kind of normal life outside of beeing on a team.
    I don't follow what you're saying. The Cass who joined the Outsiders had just returned from her "evil" arc, shaking off mind control and such, so I would imagine that she's just as mentally and emotionally disrupted as current Cass.
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    The cover for Batman and the Outsiders #2


    I don't know if the girl is supposed to be her (I'm thinking it is) but what do you think is the likelihood of Sofia Barrera joining the Outsiders after this first arc?
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    We really know nothing to even speculate.

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