Namor the Sub-Mariner, Marvel's oldest character, will have been published for 85 years in 2024. So where's my GOOD Namor anniversary ongoing, Marvel?
"We live in a world of cowards. We live in a world full of small minds who are afraid. We are ruled by those who refuse to risk anything of their own. Who guard their over bloated paucities of power with money. With false reasoning. With measured hesitance. With prideful, recalcitrant inaction. With hateful invective. With weapons. F@#K these selfish fools and their prevailing world order." Tony Stark
Just finished it and probably need to do more thinking about it, but ...
Well, this sort of answers Namor fans' complaints that "Namor wouldn't do that, because X." However, that doesn't mean I like it. I've never seen Namor as crazy, and I really don't like seeing him written like that. Namor is a belovedly flawed character, but he's also remarkably self aware, and introspective --- when he's not in the middle of an Imperius Rex! moment. Part of what I like about Namor is that he takes responsibilities for his flaws and mistakes. I'm really tired of seeing him being made a victim and NOT being responsible for his actions. I blame John Byrne for this mess with his awful theory of blood imbalance to 'fix' something didn't need fixing.
And speaking of things Namor would never do ... The Serpent Crown. Absolutely NOT. Plus, canonically, he's one of the few people who has been able to resist the crown and actually take it off. So, I'm guessing we have Namor being a victim yet again, and I think it's more to do with Roxxon or Mephisto. So, I'm guessing that Mephisto is more behind Machan than Xavier.
More later.
Namor the Sub-Mariner, Marvel's oldest character, will have been published for 85 years in 2024. So where's my GOOD Namor anniversary ongoing, Marvel?
Why would Xavier do that to anyone, let alone Namor?
I'm not reading the book(funds, you know) but following this thread so spoil away.
"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime
I agree. It's been implied (in Avengers) that Mephisto is behind pretty much everything, starting back with the Roxxon employees that killed the Atlanteans, and the vampire situation. So it wouldn't surprise me if he took what Xavier did and exasperated the situation ten-fold.
Anyone happen to know when the first trade comes out for this run of Invaders?
"We live in a world of cowards. We live in a world full of small minds who are afraid. We are ruled by those who refuse to risk anything of their own. Who guard their over bloated paucities of power with money. With false reasoning. With measured hesitance. With prideful, recalcitrant inaction. With hateful invective. With weapons. F@#K these selfish fools and their prevailing world order." Tony Stark
A very young, very green Xavier thought he was helping Namor deal with this WW2 PTSD and survivor's guilt...
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"Tommy" who later morphed into "Machan" in Namor's mind, was originally a soldier assigned to the Invaders. He died during the war and Namor felt guilt over his death. So Xavier thought he'd insert a manifestation of Tommy in Namor's mind from Namor's memories to serve as a counselor. Unfortunately Tommy gradually morphed into Machan, who is a psychopath and is now acting independently of Namor without Namor remembering.
...The psychopath part probably came from Mephisto.
If it helps I have a sneaky suspicion that Tony is not acting on his own accord in this. His cry for war with Atlantis is eerily similar to the Russians in the UN meeting crying for war, and the Squadron Supreme craving it in the Avengers book. He's probably being influenced by Mephisto. Tony's pretty ooc in this and Zdarsky is far too good of a writer for that not to be intentional and a plot device.
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I'm loving this book.
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I really would like to see a Cap & Red Guardian flashback scene by Butch Guice.
"Who wouldn't go out with the Black Widow? I'd strangle a litter of kittens for one dinner with her!"
Adrian Toomes aka the Vulture
"Natasha Romanoff, A.K.A. Black Widow - ex-KGB, formerly with S.H.I.E.L.D...Probably the brains of this operation.I have followed her career, and she has been consistently UNDERRATED."
As soon as I saw the serpent crown I immedditently knew that Namor would never ever willingly seek it out let alone use it after everything he has been through. I agree that Namor has not been present here as his usual self, I miss that Namor alot, and this victimized version of him works for the story that chip wants to tell but I will be so glad when Namor gets back to his normal self. As for Bryne, *sigh* that always comes back to bite us, I really think that his whole Namor has mental issues, was badly written. Yes, Namor suffers from mental issues, ptsd etc. however no one actually seems to care about it unless he "goes over the edge" they keep using it as a way to let Namor do bad things then blame it on his issues. The thing about Namor is, he will totally own up and take responsibility for his actions. I am just ready for real Namor to snap out of this.
The Serpent Crown now has me thinking that maybe Set is behind Machan's mental strength? trying to worm his way into Namor's head for years all as a set up to get back into power. It would make sense if Set was playing a long game and targeting Namor first to weaken him.
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"No one should ever question where my allegiance lies." - Namor of Atlantis
OK so before reading this issue, my biggest worry was that Tony would reprogram Jim into a weapon to be used against the Invaders and Namor, but what he did imo, is so much worse. Jim Hammond has always fought against people who wanted to use him as a weapon, and tried so hard to be a good man and a human. That Tony gave him an iron man body is sickening. It strips him of his humanity and brands him as an extension of Tony. I just really hate this and at this point I have absolutely no desire to ever see Tony again. Sorry not sorry but Jim is one of my all time favorite characters and Tony not repairing his old body and just slapping a fire symbol on a iron man robot has me done with Tony's character.
"No one should ever question where my allegiance lies." - Namor of Atlantis
I just have to say that Toro and Jim deserve another series, I love them so much and I'm really happy we at least got a good reunion hug in the past.
"No one should ever question where my allegiance lies." - Namor of Atlantis