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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    I'm wondering how the reception to Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man affects this question. Sales do not seem good, and the book doesn't appear to be popular here despite Tom Taylor's talents in other projects. Is FNSM making mistakes with the focus on new characters and obscure corners of New York that might not doom another satellite book, or is this an indication, with the sales of Spectacular, that Marvel should stick with more Amazing Spider-Man?
    I dunno, if we're citing those as an issue then I think it would be a problem no matter which satellite book they're in unless people come into FNSM with far different expectations as far as what it will be about.

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    Friendly Neighborhood would have to be the Second Coming featuring the defeat of MeFEASTo and a Peter clone to satisfy every ship to do exceptionally well when ASM is twice a month, we're in the middle of a Spencer bomb where he's doing near weekly issues for Hunted, we're having the linewide event with a Spider-Man mini, we have another Spider-Man mini with a fanservice premise, the popularity of other Spiders is on an upswing, and when FNSM isn't even covering supporting characters and villains ASM can't because Nick has some master plan for everyone (unlike Zdarsky who just turned Speccy into a Jonah book and Dan let that rock, and that's on top of a Spidey B-Book being more reasonable during Dan's run because he slowed down to like 18 a year.)

    Except Prowler. You win Prowler, Friendly Neighborhood.

    You have to ask yourself, "Does this book justify its own existence? Could Marvel be making more bread by putting resources into properties they're sleeping on right now instead of dipping the hot ones into the salsa multiple times and having the B-books just be selling OK? Are Peter minis where multiple creators can have a shot at telling their own hot story better than investing long-term on ongoings?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    Friendly Neighborhood would have to be the Second Coming featuring the defeat of MeFEASTo and a Peter clone to satisfy every ship to do exceptionally well when ASM is twice a month, we're in the middle of a Spencer bomb where he's doing near weekly issues for Hunted, we're having the linewide event with a Spider-Man mini, we have another Spider-Man mini with a fanservice premise, the popularity of other Spiders is on an upswing, and when FNSM isn't even covering supporting characters and villains ASM can't because Nick has some master plan for everyone (unlike Zdarsky who just turned Speccy into a Jonah book and Dan let that rock, and that's on top of a Spidey B-Book being more reasonable during Dan's run because he slowed down to like 18 a year.)

    Except Prowler. You win Prowler, Friendly Neighborhood.

    You have to ask yourself, "Does this book justify its own existence? Could Marvel be making more bread by putting resources into properties they're sleeping on right now instead of dipping the hot ones into the salsa multiple times and having the B-books just be selling OK? Are Peter minis where multiple creators can have a shot at telling their own hot story better than investing long-term on ongoings?"

    as you can tell, i love satellite books
    Satellite books can be better then ASM ( see the death of Jean DeWolff PPTSSM107-110 as one example if this). But FNSM does not cut it. I think most of us, have had enough of "Aunt May In Peril." For me it is especially true if Marvel uses a horrible disease that has effected millions like Cancer to give us a "Miracle Cure" & a " Double Down" on OMD. I have already stated that if they go in that direction, I am done with comics.
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    I think there's space for a satellite book and I do like Taylor's FNSM. I think he should stick to the "down to Earth" premise. It seemed like that would be the book's distinction, but then Taylor basically ignored it by giving us Under York.

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    The disappointing performance of FNSM (and, to a large extent, last year's PP:SSM) should not indicate that readers do not want satellite titles. Rather, I think Marvel has just not figured out the formula that will get readers invested in those titles. I think it is safe to say that the two most popular satellite titles ever for Spidey was the 1980's run of PP:SSM and Todd McFarlane's Spider-Man title in the 1990's. In each case, the titles had a unique hook: during PP:SSM's 1980's heyday, stories were being told with a different tone (and cast) than one found in ASM at the time with Peter David's darker/grittier run being the highlight. Todd of course was at the height of his popularity and was rewarded with his own title to write (zzzz) and illustrate (yay!). It just seems that these last 2 launches don't seem to have a clear reason to exist and murky directives: both were promised as street level tales yet the majority of Zdarsky's run dealt with time travel/aliens and Taylor's overlong opening arc dealt with subterranean dwellers which, I suppose, is kinda street level, just a few miles below it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschool View Post
    The disappointing performance of FNSM (and, to a large extent, last year's PP:SSM) should not indicate that readers do not want satellite titles.
    This.

    FNSM isn't doing it for me at the moment but I do love satellite titles. Some of my favorite Spidey runs have been in satellite books and, as good as ASM is right now, there's always room for another solid Spidey title. If FNSM fails to rally and ends up tanking, I hope Marvel will just try again.

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    I used to love satellite books, but honestly the repeated restarts and cancellations got too old. The old system with Spectacular on 200+ issues and Web on 100+ was beautiful. It kept me buying everything, every month. But why would I buy a title that's going to last maybe 10, 20 issues? It messes up your whole collection, it's so ugly and unsatisfying. So I will NEVER buy another issue of a satellite. Doesn't matter what it's about, doesn't matter who the creators are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Warren View Post
    This.

    FNSM isn't doing it for me at the moment but I do love satellite titles. Some of my favorite Spidey runs have been in satellite books and, as good as ASM is right now, there's always room for another solid Spidey title. If FNSM fails to rally and ends up tanking, I hope Marvel will just try again.

    Yup. Additionally, titles like "Tangled Web" and "Webspinners" also had a defined purpose; they may not have been huge sellers (nothing really was during that era as sales started to fall across the board in the wake of the post-speculator era) but they had enough success to last 22 and 18 issues respectively. Moreover, each produced several very well-received stories ("Severance Package", "Flowers For Rhino") that might not have found their way into a more "traditional" Spidey book so that is another way for Marvel to go if they wanted to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esskay View Post
    I used to love satellite books, but honestly the repeated restarts and cancellations got too old. The old system with Spectacular on 200+ issues and Web on 100+ was beautiful. It kept me buying everything, every month. But why would I buy a title that's going to last maybe 10, 20 issues? It messes up your whole collection, it's so ugly and unsatisfying. So I will NEVER buy another issue of a satellite. Doesn't matter what it's about, doesn't matter who the creators are.
    Summed my thoughts completely with this. The books seemed more connected and the higher numbering (i.e. continuous run) made the books feel like you were missing a piece of the Spider-man life.

    Now, satellite books are just quick #1 issue money grabs that you already know will only last 1-2 years max then its rinse, wash, repeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esskay View Post
    I used to love satellite books, but honestly the repeated restarts and cancellations got too old. The old system with Spectacular on 200+ issues and Web on 100+ was beautiful. It kept me buying everything, every month. But why would I buy a title that's going to last maybe 10, 20 issues? It messes up your whole collection, it's so ugly and unsatisfying. So I will NEVER buy another issue of a satellite. Doesn't matter what it's about, doesn't matter who the creators are.
    If a book - whatever it is - has a short run, it never bothers me so long as I enjoy the issues themselves. No one can predict how long a title will go. The number of books that stay in continuous publication is very low so I wouldn't pass on a book with a character I liked with a strong creative team just because it may or may not go the distance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Warren View Post
    If a book - whatever it is - has a short run, it never bothers me so long as I enjoy the issues themselves. No one can predict how long a title will go. The number of books that stay in continuous publication is very low so I wouldn't pass on a book with a character I liked with a strong creative team just because it may or may go the distance.
    I agree with you. Although you can do projections and forecasting, no one knows what comics will sell and which ones will not. Remember the first Spider-Man appearance was in an expiring comic (Amazing Fantasy #15). But poorly written comics like FNSM make it hard for Marvel to keep publishing them because there is a lack of demand. How does it apply to me? If there is a story I like in FNSM, I can pick it up in trades or at the local comic store instead if subscribing like with Spencer's Amazing.7
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