TV Luke Cage vs. MCU Erik Killmonger

[Hypestyle]

so let's say that Killmonger was thwarted in Black Panther, but he managed to escape and survive somehow (with his "Leopard" outfit). A year later, he shows up in Harlem causing mayhem in an attempt to build back his power base. Luke Cage is there to try and stop him. What happens? Even aside from the fighting, what would their political perspectives be on what Killmonger is trying to achieve?

[Twickster]

Killmonger is roughly Captain America-level in physicality, with a vibranium suit that makes him immune to blunt trauma and vibranium knives (the claw versions of which were able to leave large gauges in Captain America's shield).

Luke Cage dies. Really, in scenario he dies. Killmonger doesn't play around. He identifies an objective and executes (the guy put a slug between his girlfriend's eyes). If Luke gets in his way, he dies.

[MindofShadow]

Luke can't hurt him at all. And can't fight anywhere near that level.

Killmonger does the same thing he did in the CIA.. come in during a moment of transition of power (so now), destabilize, take over, kill anyone that gets in his way.

[Shellhead]

Immunity to blunt force trauma won't protect Killmonger from getting his limbs broken or his neck snapped, and Cage has enough strength to easily break bones. However, Killmonger has superior HTH skills. As long as Killmonger can keep moving and avoid getting grabbed, he should win this fight.

[Twickster]

Immunity to blunt force trauma won't protect Killmonger from getting his limbs broken or his neck snapped, and Cage has enough strength to easily break bones. However, Killmonger has superior HTH skills. As long as Killmonger can keep moving and avoid getting grabbed, he should win this fight.

See, Killmonger's so fast and skilled, that's not even a question. Also, laying hands on Killmonger is a bad idea when he can do a 360 degree energy wave.

[greatmetropolitan]

Killmonger is the kind of guy who, if he was headed to Harlem, he'll have researched the hell out of it first and will know Luke Cage is the protector. He'll then research Luke, get him some Luke-piercing bullets and snipe him from some distance out, headshot, dead. This is a guy who pulled off a coup of a country single handedly.

If it somehow comes to hand to hand, Killmonger is more skilled, can't be hurt by blunt force and has enough vibranium sharp stuff to hurt Luke, plus the energy wave attack. Doesn't end well for Mr Cage.

Politically, it's like Wakanda in miniature. Luke is just concerned about Harlem the way T'challa was just concerned about Wakanda to begin with, not wanting to look outside their respective borders. Killmonger won't like that.

[Killerbee911]

Why would Killmonger even fight him? He would get Cage put in jail again so quick. Luke cage is amazing easy to move off the board

[Twickster]

Because under the circumstances it would actually be easier to kill him than to put him in jail again. Luke is that outmatched.

[Hypestyle]

Because under the circumstances it would actually be easier to kill him than to put him in jail again. Luke is that outmatched.

elaborate please.

[Twickster]

elaborate please.

Luke has been sent to Jail twice. He got out, twice. Then he proceeded to use his abilities and stature to make harlem for the better. This is the classic PIS scenario, where killing someone will "make him a martyr" or somesuch. However, in any realistic scenario, the better, more efficient option is to just kill him. It wouldn't be hard, he just walks around, ready to be shanked by a vibranium weapon by a person with Captain America level physical stats.

Or basically, one must ask oneself, what would be the advantage of keeping Luke alive, rather than dead, for a person with the means and ability to make the latter possible.

[TheLastDalek]

Luke has been sent to Jail twice. He got out, twice. Then he proceeded to use his abilities and stature to make harlem for the better. This is the classic PIS scenario, where killing someone will "make him a martyr" or somesuch. However, in any realistic scenario, the better, more efficient option is to just kill him. It wouldn't be hard, he just walks around, ready to be shanked by a vibranium weapon by a person with Captain America level physical stats.

Or basically, one must ask oneself, what would be the advantage of keeping Luke alive, rather than dead, for a person with the means and ability to make the latter possible.

I'm not so sure about that even the Luke piercing rounds stopped working because his durability was increasing, I don't think Killmonger necessarily has the strength to shank him, even with a vibranium blade.

[greatmetropolitan]

I'm not so sure about that even the Luke piercing rounds stopped working because his durability was increasing, I don't think Killmonger necessarily has the strength to shank him, even with a vibranium blade.

Unless Luke has some eye-durability feat I don't know about - and he might, I haven't seen most of the show - ain't nothing stopping Killmonger putting a blade in Luke's eyes and mushing his brain up good. He's that much better than Luke in close quarters, and with less damage to worry about.

Honestly, Killmonger is such a good tactician and combatant with the stated resources, taking out Cage isn't much of a problem for him at all.

[Killerbee911]

There is really no reason to kill Luke to set up his power base ,He just needs him out the way and small frame up on someone who has couple strikes on them removes them from the picture long enough to set up what is needed. This isn't realistic scenario, It is comic realistic scenario and killing Luke bring Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, Colleen Wing, Misty Knight, Daredevil(all of who he can probably kill easy as well) and unneeded attention which means Police,Black Panther,Other criminal elements and Avengers possible interfering as well. The advantage of keeping Luke alive it is more quiet scenario and gives option of killing Luke as self defense and not murder when he inevitable comes back.IMO It just feels smarter Luke Cage is vigilante running around assaulting people it is that hard to get him lock up.

[Twickster]

There is really no reason to kill Luke to set up his power base ,He just needs him out the way and small frame up on someone who has couple strikes on them removes them from the picture long enough to set up what is needed. This isn't realistic scenario, It is comic realistic scenario and killing Luke bring Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, Colleen Wing, Misty Knight, Daredevil(all of who he can probably kill easy as well) and unneeded attention which means Police,Black Panther,Other criminal elements and Avengers possible interfering as well. The advantage of keeping Luke alive it is more quiet scenario and gives option of killing Luke as self defense and not murder when he inevitable comes back.IMO It just feels smarter Luke Cage is vigilante running around assaulting people it is that hard to get him lock up.

See, this is what happens in a Netflix show, right before Luke gets himself out of prison and enlists Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, Colleen Wing, Misty Knight, Daredevil, the Police,Black Panther,Other criminal elements and possibly the Avengers. Then things stop being quiet and become a whole lot more unquiet. There is no advantage to having a "self-defense" defense, Killmonger is a criminal murderer. The simplest answer really is just to kill Luke outright.

Unless Luke has some eye-durability feat I don't know about - and he might, I haven't seen most of the show - ain't nothing stopping Killmonger putting a blade in Luke's eyes and mushing his brain up good. He's that much better than Luke in close quarters, and with less damage to worry about.

Honestly, Killmonger is such a good tactician and combatant with the stated resources, taking out Cage isn't much of a problem for him at all.

A person of similar strength is capable of gouging marks in a vibranium shield that no-sells Thor. I am really unconvinced that Luke has the durability not to be cut by a vibranium blade - especially not one wielded by a person in Captain America's strength class.

[greatmetropolitan]

A person of similar strength is capable of gouging marks in a vibranium shield that no-sells Thor. I am really unconvinced that Luke has the durability not to be cut by a vibranium blade - especially not one wielded by a person in Captain America's strength class.

While I agree with what you're saying, I was never sure if T'Challa gouged holes in the shield or stripped the paintwork