Which Xavier do you prefer?

[bell]

I prefer the dead one.

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[Magnusilver]

And then people wonder how a thread turns into an anti cyclops thread.

Cyclops and Emma benefited the most from jerkfication of Xavier. One of them took the leader role and the other became the top telepath of X-men. And looking at the "jerkification" thread, most attack to Xavier comes from Cyclops and Emma's fans. Lol. No Cyclops definitely needs to be "anti" more.

[PsychoEFrost]

Cyclops and Emma benefited the most from jerkfication of Xavier. One of them took the leader role and the other became the top telepath of X-men. And looking at the "jerkification" thread, most attack to Xavier comes from Cyclops and Emma's fans. Lol. No Cyclops definitely needs to be "anti" more.

And in that thread you have been explained to multiple times by multiple posters that Xavier started to be a jerk in the 60s and 70s, long before Emma Frost became a character.

So the usual narrative that you've been spinning (and this site seems to love) that characters exist solely to be destroyed for Cyclops is provably false.

[Gambit, King of Thieves]

Is that the actually dead one or the pretending to be dead one? Cause with Chuck you have to ask.

the second is just more reason to support the first

[phoenixzero23]

I prefer the dead one.

I'm a big fan of Xavier. I love him as a well inteded mentor/father figure but yeah i prefer him dead over marvel ruining him.

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And in that thread you have been explained to multiple times by multiple posters that Xavier started to be a jerk in the 60s and 70s, long before Emma Frost became a character.

So the usual narrative that you've been spinning (and this site seems to love) that characters exist solely to be destroyed for Cyclops is provably false.

as long as is to trash Cyclops and blame him for something they are willing to ignore years of a character just to get a win. I stop bothering to read their post lol even when the guy is dead they find things to blame him for.

[Gambit, King of Thieves]

as long as is to trash Cyclops and blame him for something they are willing to ignore years of a character just to get a win. I stop bothering to read their post lol even when the guy is dead they find things to blame him for.

I physically cannot understand what this sentence means.

[Magnusilver]

And in that thread you have been explained to multiple times by multiple posters that Xavier started to be a jerk in the 60s and 70s, long before Emma Frost became a character.

So the usual narrative that you've been spinning (and this site seems to love) that characters exist solely to be destroyed for Cyclops is provably false.

In that thread It's also pointed out that the Krakoa and Danger things took Xavier's jerkish to a new level. Remember what happened at the end of Deadly Genesis? Cyclops kicked Xavier out of his own mansion and became the rightful and only leader of X-men for man years.

[sunofdarkchild]

Xavier should be a good man who occasionally does bad things, like most people.

In general I don't think heroic characters should cross certain moral event horizons. While there may be individual stories where it can work, most of the time it doesn't.

[Celestialbodies]

... I mean.

I agree with this because Xavier is better as a symbol and martyr than being alive.

Please no, can we please find some better ways to write out or utilize characters than this? I hate it, I despise the idea of any viable character being used to push someone or something's narrative.

I know I'm a fool but I have a soft spot for Xavier, and truthfully there are better ways to used him than disgraced former founder or dead, at least for me.

[Killerbee911]

Dead..Narratively Xavier isn't really useful once the X-men are adults or competent. The nature of continuity fiction they keep adding on bad stuff because it makes for good stories.

[Celestialbodies]

Dead..Narratively Xavier isn't really useful once the X-men are adults or competent. The nature of continuity fiction they keep adding on bad stuff because it makes for good stories.

Heres the issue though that pendulum swings both ways they also have no problems taking long standing members of the X-men or former foes turned friends back into villains for "good stories", then killing them off or leaving them to limbo.

There has got to be something better why can't the X-men and its leaders or figure heads as well as members evolve into different roles or roles outside of strictly X-stories that develops them in new ways especially if the nature of comics is always to change then change back.

[DiamondQueen]

I think Xavier is the best as someone who dreamed of grander things, even when he could not live up to them. That said what he did to 05 is psychologically horrific.

[Harpsikord]

Please no, can we please find some better ways to write out or utilize characters than this? I hate it, I despise the idea of any viable character being used to push someone or something's narrative.

I know I'm a fool but I have a soft spot for Xavier, and truthfully there are better ways to used him than disgraced former founder or dead, at least for me.

For what it's worth I largely feel the same way about Magneto.

I think that both of them would be better off as dead, untouchable symbols to both of their points of view; martyrs to their specific causes that are being upheld by relatives or students of theirs that best represent what it is that they're fighting for - and ideals that have potentially evolved beyond them, as they are wont to do.

[SpiderClops]

The poll question is not great. It's like asking "what do you prefer, a tasty pie or a kick in the face?"

I think everyone would prefer the nice version. But it never really existed.

Very well said.

I would prefer if everyone stopped treating him like a saint still today for no bloody reason.