Originally Posted by
nhienphan2808
Now Jason. Since he's born Gothamite he looks at Bruce different than Dick who has no resemblance to Bruce and who's closer to Batman. He's Gothamite and also doesn't give a **** about Batman's code, he's 1. Can teach Bruce plenty ("This boy is more mature than both of us." ) 2. closer to Bruce the man, the man who lost his family and sense of comfort. He brings Bruce that and Bruce actually get along with him better than Dick. While Bruce HAS TO try to be a hero and all macho for Dick and others by not talking to them at all, Jason is the one he can laugh with and say things like "Why do you think there's something cool about me? I dress up as a bat!" to. This 1. made Dick and others took a step back because Jason is THE son, but at the same time 2. Is counteractive to the ideals of Batman, because Bruce allowed himself to be Bruce and nornal and selfish. This is why when Bruce says Jason is the "bad Robin" or "failure" i don't think hes supposed to mean Jason is a bad person, but rather the mantle itself. Jason's existence and Bruce's connection with him is as Bruce, not Batman. Robin helps Batman and his ideals, Jason doesn't ; he shouldnt have been dragged into Batman's missions, he's not Robin, he is his SON, Bruce Wayne's son, and not only Bruce feels that but Jason wanted him only to be his dad too, so he's like ????? when Bruce is too into Batman and this ideal of Robin and neglect him from time to time.
Fast forward to UTRH event. Now Bruce is already lost himself to Batman, his son come back and no longer that hopeful boy he loved and learned from and wanted to help, but killed people. Now Bruce is feeling torn because he cant explain to jason that "Lol son i love you but if i allow myself to be selfish i'm not batman, also you have gone off the deep end and a criminal k bye"
How does Dick fit into this ? Because jason becomes a part of him, a selfish part that isnt batman that he doesnt even dare to let Dick know, he lashed out at Dick when Dick accused him and showed jealousy towards Jason. Post Jason death, Bruce feel not only failure but accused by Dick too, that he failed to be a hero and father. And being Bruce, he hold everything inside and get defensive instead admiting his mistakes and this caused further rift between him and Dick and everyone. And since Dick basically raised Bruce and formed his no kill no gun rule, his presence, or Bruce's IDEA about him is too big for Jason (not in the "he wanted me to dye my hair to be you" creepy Morrison way but in a "Robin is so good you should have seen he help me kick ass because youre right i kinda suck" way) So this feeds into Jason's perception that Dick can do no wrong and Bruce loved Dick and Tim more than him, which is wrong. Dick is Robin to Batman. Jason is THE son. In my mind, giving up to Jason aka himself would betray Dick and everything Batman stands for. In a way, he can't have both Dick and Jason, that's why the loss is too painful for him to even face.