Kenshiro in the following classic FPS games

[big_adventure]

Kenshiro can't soul rip. Where you getting that from?

Sorry. Either I was kind of extrapolating based on all of the other crazy stuff he does, or I was just having an old guy moment and transposing something from another thread.

[Adrian Fomble]

"Did you think immortality would save you? Hokuto Shin Ken has a 1800 year history...you will now walk backwards for all eternity, while singing The Song That Doesn't End with your pinky up your nostril. You will soon wish you were...aready dead."

Tchernobog also has some reality warping, soul manipulation, resistance to magic and death manipulation, can open up nigh-bottomless holes for enemies to fall into, etc. Just referencing some of his abilities.

[The Chou Lives]

Tchernobog also has some reality warping, soul manipulation, resistance to magic and death manipulation, can open up nigh-bottomless holes for enemies to fall into, etc. Just referencing some of his abilities.

Yet he got killed by a FPS shooter character.

Which would make you think, the mind altering pressure point stuff can force opponents to “not” use their game changing stuff.

Like with Jagi, Ken hits him, Jagi gets fun out, before pulling trigger gun hand turns on him, against his will.

[Nik Hasta]

Tchernobog also has some reality warping, soul manipulation, resistance to magic and death manipulation, can open up nigh-bottomless holes for enemies to fall into, etc. Just referencing some of his abilities.

Oh boy...



He sure seems really scary. ¬_¬

Dude, this guy couldn't hit Kenshiro and would just get blasted with chi lasers until he died.

[The Chou Lives]

: Sees the guy getting killed with gun fire spam and it was darn near effortless.:

“ Puny God.”

[T51R]

Tchernobog also has some reality warping, soul manipulation, resistance to magic and death manipulation, can open up nigh-bottomless holes for enemies to fall into, etc. Just referencing some of his abilities.

Lets hope he's faster than thought then, because THIS is Muso Tensei; aka stepping "outside" reality while being able to hit things within it.



Yes, Ken triggers Muso Tensei so fast, Raoh hits his after-image

[Adrian Fomble]

Lets hope he's faster than thought then, because THIS is Muso Tensei; aka stepping "outside" reality while being able to hit things within it.



Yes, Ken triggers Muso Tensei so fast, Raoh hits his after-image

Muso Tensei can allow someone to step out of reality? 0_o

[The Chou Lives]

Yes. Yes it can. Ken at max power is like a ghost who can hit people but people cannot really touch them.

Yeah it is crazy like that.

[Nik Hasta]

Muso Tensei can allow someone to step out of reality? 0_o

Not exactly.

Musou Tensei is a bit of a vague esoteric technique with minor variations in presentation across the multiple iterations of manga, anime and OVAs.

The basics are; through a Hokuto Shinken user experiencing a profound state of despair, they gain the ability to literally "become nothing," and this allows them to phase through attacks. It also allows the user to commune with the souls of the departed with home they share connection and bring forth their techniques. Kenshiro does so in the clip above.

There's no mention of it involving going outside reality, at least that I can recall. It is... contextual intangibility. Kenshiro can pass through attacks and Ken and Raoh pass through each other in their final battle wherein they both have mastery of the technique. He never, for example, phases through a solid object like Shadowcat and I don't think the technique allows him to do that.

It had a weakness in that when facing Kaioh in the Shura Arc, Kaioh's dark chi is so strong it can distort the fabric of space through a technique called Anryu Tenha. This weightless and twisted space makes it impossible for Kenshiro to understand where he is relative to anything else nor reduce his presence to the nothingness required to make the technique work and so the intangibility ceases to work. Kenshiro later figures out a counter for this technique, by circulating his chi he's able to use centrifugal force to ground himself inside space distortions and then it doesn't effect him anymore but he doesn't actually use Musou Tensei again in that situation.

But yeah, there's nothing that says he goes outside of reality. The most correct interpretation is that he "becomes nothing," and thus is untouchable.

As a side note, Kenshiro does actually get a more condensed version of intangibility in the technique called Kentou Shadan which is basically an attack where he phases his hand through his opponent and destroys whatever limb he touches.

[Adrian Fomble]

Forgot to respond to this.

Oh boy...



He sure seems really scary. ¬_¬

Dude, this guy couldn't hit Kenshiro and would just get blasted with chi lasers until he died.

Well yeah to be fair, in gameplay mechanics, Tchernobog didn't have THAT much HP and was actually one of the easiest bosses to beat compared to the previous ones, but based on lore, he's a lot stronger than you think and is more corporeal and otherworldy in nature, he is said to be the one that holds the realities together.

[Dalak]

Well yeah to be fair, in gameplay mechanics, Tchernobog didn't have THAT much HP and was actually one of the easiest bosses to beat compared to the previous ones, but based on lore, he's a lot stronger than you think and is more corporeal and otherworldy in nature, he is said to be the one that holds the realities together.

Feats > Lore

What can't be taken for evidence in debate?
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.
Narrative hyperbole or speech hyperbole are also not considered valid evidence for a character's feats. As well, instances of PIS (plot induce stupidity - see below) and SvFL (Spiderman vs. Firelord - see below) are generally removed from consideration in standard versus debates.

[Nik Hasta]

Forgot to respond to this.



Well yeah to be fair, in gameplay mechanics, Tchernobog didn't have THAT much HP and was actually one of the easiest bosses to beat compared to the previous ones, but based on lore, he's a lot stronger than you think and is more corporeal and otherworldy in nature, he is said to be the one that holds the realities together.

That's nice and all but he gets killed by bullets and rockets. Kenshiro will kill him just fine.

He's also a statue in comparison to Kenshiro. He can be the biggest baddest guy in his universe and he's still a non-threat to someone of Kenshiro's abilities

[Adrian Fomble]

Feats > Lore

All lore is considered hyperbole? I was under the impression that a video game character's lore and feats outside of gameplay aren't mutually exclusive concepts so long as they offer insightful descriptions of the character's abilities and achievements in combat.

There's a reason this trope exists.

[The Chou Lives]

All lore is considered hyperbole? I was under the impression that a video game character's lore and feats outside of gameplay aren't mutually exclusive concepts so long as they offer insightful descriptions of the character's abilities and achievements in combat.

There's a reason this trope exists.

We go by what happened in the game. We do feats not plot unless feats back up the plot then interchangeable/ accepted. It sounded like that boss would have caused some kind of damage. Nope instead got killed, rather anti climatic and quick.

So yeah you can claim by plot he is the one god to control this accept if realiry, but he was just a fancy bullet spice.

Therefore here he is presented that way, and Kenshiro still murdered the hell out of him.

[Nik Hasta]

All lore is considered hyperbole? I was under the impression that a video game character's lore and feats outside of gameplay aren't mutually exclusive concepts so long as they offer insightful descriptions of the character's abilities and achievements in combat.

There's a reason this trope exists.

You can cite whatever lore you want. That's fine.

It doesn't change the fact that there is onscreen footage of your guy dying to a combination of bullets and rockets in under 30 seconds. That's the feats you have to work with, that's what Tchernobog can do.

As a result, he's so slow compared to Kenshiro that he might as well not be moving, he has an ostensibly human physiology so Kenshiro could just make him explode through pressure points and he's not durable enough to survive Kenshiro hitting him like 100 times in a second.