Debates where one speaker is easily angered and the other is simply calm?

[Adrian Fomble]

One example is when Bill Mohr used the term "house n*gg*r" on his show. A lot of people on this board criticized him. He didn't get a pass just because he is liberal democrat.

Well okay, but I guess I'm looking for something higher up the bar than just someone using a racial slur and accidentally offending someone. Like you do know there are racist liberals who make some pretty questionable points and policies when it comes to their political beliefs?

[Adrian Fomble]

Left wingers naturally love petty bickering and infighting over just about any issue, if you go into the politics thread there are constant arguments over political strategy and what issues to prioritize and what not. You won't see the kind of hollering about cultural Marxist PC SJW libcuck conspiracies that you see in the alt right propaganda bubble, because most sensible people realize that the left is far more fragmented and disorganized than the right in general, and isn't really capable of executing the kind of brazen political takeovers that are ascribed to them.

Very interesting point. AS a left-winger myself, I underestimated just how petty and trivial we can actually be as a tribe when it comes to arguing about ****. What are examples of issues they argue each other over?

[Crazy Diamond]

Very interesting point. AS a left-winger myself, I underestimated just how petty and trivial we can actually be as a tribe when it comes to arguing about ****. What are examples of issues they argue each other over?

What role the Left plays in society is a pretty big one. Immigration is another especially with what Angela Nagle put out recently. Then you have people who want to socialist and yet support stuff that works against said goal. Then when they're criticized you hear cries of "purist" and sectarian and "armchairs". But that's mostly online anyways from my experience.

Or do you mean critiquing public figures because there's plenty of that as well. Depends on what you're looking for.

[PwrdOn]

Very interesting point. AS a left-winger myself, I underestimated just how petty and trivial we can actually be as a tribe when it comes to arguing about ****. What are examples of issues they argue each other over?

Fundamentally, the left is a diverse coalition of various groups loosely united by the common thread that they are all in favor of reforming the status quo in some way. However, each of these groups believes that their needs should take priority and that everyone else should fall in line and wait their turn, and while left wingers are busy slapfighting and hurling accusations at each other, the right sees an opportunity to take away more of our rights and further erode the foundation of our democracy.

[ed2962]

Well okay, but I guess I'm looking for something higher up the bar than just someone using a racial slur and accidentally offending someone. Like you do know there are racist liberals who make some pretty questionable points and policies when it comes to their political beliefs?

There's tons of things that liberals disagree with each other when it comes to race and gender and sexuality. Many of those discussions have been had in this board. Is there a particular issue you think liberals here have been wrong or hypocritical about that folks here won't address?

[Adrian Fomble]

There's tons of things that liberals disagree with each other when it comes to race and gender and sexuality. Many of those discussions have been had in this board. Is there a particular issue you think liberals here have been wrong or hypocritical about that folks here won't address?

What are some of the most major things that liberals disagree on in terms of race, sex, and religion? I'm really curious to know.

Okay issues like uhhh... on Black Lives Matter and Antifa? Or something like about the "Victim Hierarchy".

[Adrian Fomble]

Fundamentally, the left is a diverse coalition of various groups loosely united by the common thread that they are all in favor of reforming the status quo in some way. However, each of these groups believes that their needs should take priority and that everyone else should fall in line and wait their turn, and while left wingers are busy slapfighting and hurling accusations at each other, the right sees an opportunity to take away more of our rights and further erode the foundation of our democracy.

Are there left-wingers who call each other your typical "-ism's" and "-phobes" in any of those slapfights?

[Adrian Fomble]

What role the Left plays in society is a pretty big one. Immigration is another especially with what Angela Nagle put out recently. Then you have people who want to socialist and yet support stuff that works against said goal. Then when they're criticized you hear cries of "purist" and sectarian and "armchairs". But that's mostly online anyways from my experience.

Or do you mean critiquing public figures because there's plenty of that as well. Depends on what you're looking for.

Are there so-called Liberal "Anti-Racist" figures that you guys disagree with when it comes to their views on race or methods of combating racism?

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Also, I feel like we should be getting back to listing debates that demonstrate the calmness of one debater despite being on the receiving end of ad hominems and smear tactics.

[Anodyne]

Also, I feel like we should be getting back to listing debates that demonstrate the calmness of one debater despite being on the receiving end of ad hominems and smear tactics.

This reminds me of a debate my mother witnessed when she was a junior high English teacher/guidance counselor. The rules stated that you could not make your rebuttal until you had summarized your opponent's case to his or her satisfaction.

[ed2962]

What are some of the most major things that liberals disagree on in terms of race, sex, and religion? I'm really curious to know.

Okay issues like uhhh... on Black Lives Matter and Antifa? Or something like about the "Victim Hierarchy".

How to achieve racial equality, how to achieve rights for LGBT people, the place of religion in the public square...


Black Lives Matter has come up before although not much recently. Some people feel they are a much needed voice against police brutality although some people feel they too disorganized and some of the tactics of some chapters are counter productive.

When it's come up, I think some people are slightly harsher on Antifa...smashing a Starbucks window when Milo Yappingdogpolus speaks somewhere turns some people off. But others think no, if neo-nazis are going to march around with shields and clubs deliberately trying to provoke a fight, then someone should be willing to stand up to them on their own terms.

[PwrdOn]

Are there left-wingers who call each other your typical "-ism's" and "-phobes" in any of those slapfights?

Of course they do, after all women, minorities, and gays don't actually share much in common and there has been plenty of hostility between those groups. The difference though is that leftists generally don't take accusations of bigotry and prejudice lightly, since most have been on the receiving end of it at some point in their lives and know how damaging it can be, and so they won't just try to dismiss these attacks without at least offering some kind of a response or counter argument. Plenty of left wingers are racist, but they tend to keep those views to themselves and present a more inclusive image to the public, they will not express those views openly or try to claim that racism has lost all meaning like some right wingers like to do.

If you want an example of this, you can look up that video where people are trying to discuss whether Bruno Mars is guilty of cultural appropriation. Nary a white man to be seen and everyone involved would broadly agree on the pursuit of social justice, but you see a lot of the same language and invectives thrown around as you would in any debate involving a conservative.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

Well okay, but I guess I'm looking for something higher up the bar than just someone using a racial slur and accidentally offending someone.

There was nothing "accidental" about it. Mahr knew what he was doing when he said what he said. He also correctly guessed that he could get away with it. For all his snarling contempt for the right, he's little more than another east coast hipster racist.

[Adrian Fomble]

How to achieve racial equality, how to achieve rights for LGBT people, the place of religion in the public square...


Black Lives Matter has come up before although not much recently. Some people feel they are a much needed voice against police brutality although some people feel they too disorganized and some of the tactics of some chapters are counter productive.

When it's come up, I think some people are slightly harsher on Antifa...smashing a Starbucks window when Milo Yappingdogpolus speaks somewhere turns some people off. But others think no, if neo-nazis are going to march around with shields and clubs deliberately trying to provoke a fight, then someone should be willing to stand up to them on their own terms.

I agree... but are there respected Left-wingers who criticize "Political Correctness" especially when it goes way beyond just "showing people respect with the right words" and spirals out of control?

Which do you guys think is worse when it comes to their flaws: Black Lives Matter or Antifa? For me, it's definitely the latter that makes the former look tame in comparison.

[Adrian Fomble]

Of course they do, after all women, minorities, and gays don't actually share much in common and there has been plenty of hostility between those groups. The difference though is that leftists generally don't take accusations of bigotry and prejudice lightly, since most have been on the receiving end of it at some point in their lives and know how damaging it can be, and so they won't just try to dismiss these attacks without at least offering some kind of a response or counter argument. Plenty of left wingers are racist, but they tend to keep those views to themselves and present a more inclusive image to the public, they will not express those views openly or try to claim that racism has lost all meaning like some right wingers like to do.

If you want an example of this, you can look up that video where people are trying to discuss whether Bruno Mars is guilty of cultural appropriation. Nary a white man to be seen and everyone involved would broadly agree on the pursuit of social justice, but you see a lot of the same language and invectives thrown around as you would in any debate involving a conservative.

How are plenty of left-wingers "racist" exactly? I also like to know if there are people who regularly call or point out "racism" (from the right) yet get accused of being "racist" or "bigot" pretty often for the slightest reasons by other liberals or non-right-wingers? And how do they usually defend against the "race" card being thrown against them?

[Dalak]

Also, I feel like we should be getting back to listing debates that demonstrate the calmness of one debater despite being on the receiving end of ad hominems and smear tactics.

What happened to this?