X-Men in the MCU Hopes & Dreams

[Cyke]

The 80s aesthetic was really wasted. Yes, there were the clothes and the mall scene and the music, but it's just a backdrop that doesn't really affect anything else. The 60s aesthetic of First Class was much better used and much more integral -- the dated origins of Cerebro, the spy game, the swagger that came with the fashion, sleek decadence. On the contrary, there's so much more to the 80s aesthetic than just being jokes and references for the audience -- First Class seemed to be affectionate of the 60s whereas Apocalypse used the 80s for ridicule. Heck, DOFP did a better job of displaying the 70s (the machismo, the mob, the political climate), and the movie had to split its focus between the 70s and the near-future. And since Apocalypse used the 80s more as a joke or as a backdrop, it wasn't really utilized all that well -- you could set Apocalypse in any other time period (including modern times like most X-films) and nothing important would change.

First Class did a great job of evoking the 60s the same way Mad Men did. I wish Apocalypse evoked the 80s the way Stranger Things did.

[Divine Spark]

It kind of looses all impact when it keeps happening to him. "Oh hey, Magneto's feeling some man-pain, again. How novel." Also doesn't help that the whole reason Magneto was even given a family(even though it doesn't really match with the end of DoFP Eric) was just to kill them to make Magneto sad and sympathetic.

That wasn’t the reason. Based on interviews it seems that it was to show that fate/time literally would not allow Magneto to have a normal life. Even in the movie Apocalypse and Magneto says that it was an inescapable fate.

[SpiderClops]

That wasn’t the reason. Based on interviews it seems that it was to show that fate/time literally would not allow Magneto to have a normal life. Even in the movie Apocalypse and Magneto says that it was an inescapable fate.

This fate/time-stream BS that they keep spouting needs to stop. If it's all true, then why doesn't Mystique become a villain?

[Divine Spark]

This fate/time-stream BS that they keep spouting needs to stop. If it's all true, then why doesn't Mystique become a villain?

Because an effort was made to change Mystique’s mind. It was explained at the end of DOFP that you can change the tide of the river of time if you make enough ripples. Though that doesn’t change the current of a river, hence why the future is still bad.

[SpiderClops]

Because an effort was made to change Mystique’s mind. It was explained at the end of DOFP that you can change the tide of the river of time if you make enough ripples. Though that doesn’t change the current of a river, hence why the future is still bad.

[Divine Spark]

Did you get this bend out of shape when other fictional works use that trope?

[SpiderClops]

Did you get this bend out of shape when other fictional works use that trope?

No, the thing is I don't believe these movies are using this trope.

[Divine Spark]

No, the thing is I don't believe these movies are using this trope.

There are interviews dating back to the week of DOFP release stating they were going down that road.

[SpiderClops]

There are interviews dating back to the week of DOFP release stating they were going down that road.

Show, don't tell. The whole point of DoFP feels that you can change the future, you can change the fate. If they wanted to make us believe the opposite, they failed miserably.

[Divine Spark]

Show, don't tell. The whole point of DoFP feels that you can change the future, you can change the fate. If they wanted to make us believe the opposite, they failed miserably.

That’s because the answer was never meant to be black and white. But rather in-between, somethings are meant to be and somethings aren’t. Even Xavier’s narration at the end of the film acknowledged both sides of the argument. He said that time was like a river but not everything is truly set.

Yes, they are basically cherry picking what to keep and what not to keep.

[Marvelgirl]

Show, don't tell. The whole point of DoFP feels that you can change the future, you can change the fate. If they wanted to make us believe the opposite, they failed miserably.

From the film they didn't completely. they wanted us to believe the future is not fixed that was the last line of the film. If I remember correctly that was the original comics ended in the present. it was left opened. appreciate how some make us false nonsense about the film that wasn't in the film. I know DOFP is not an MCU movie surely it is not that hard to follow.

Yes, they are basically cherry picking what to keep and what not to keep.

Well spoken. DOFP was told in 2 parts, spiderclops should read the ending of the comics. When people say DOFP was a compelling movie of nothing black and white, we mean things like this. people did not call it the best cbm drama since TDK for no reason.

[David Walton]

I don't think X-Men: Apocalypse necessarily undid the future we saw in DOFP. There's no clear roadmap to getting to that point, and Magneto might work both for and against the X-Men quite a bit in the interim.

The film that does the most damage to DOFP's ending is Logan, which makes the X-Men's accomplishments in that film seem moot really quickly.

[Divine Spark]

The film that does the most damage to DOFP's ending is Logan, which makes the X-Men's accomplishments in that film seem moot really quickly.

And Deadpool 2.

[SpiderClops]

That’s because the answer was never meant to be black and white. But rather in-between, somethings are meant to be and somethings aren’t. Even Xavier’s narration at the end of the film acknowledged both sides of the argument. He said that time was like a river but not everything is truly set.

Yes, they are basically cherry picking what to keep and what not to keep.

Then it's not the trope you were talking about. It's all just BS.

[Marvelgirl]

I don't think X-Men: Apocalypse necessarily undid the future we saw in DOFP. There's no clear roadmap to getting to that point, and Magneto might work both for and against the X-Men quite a bit in the interim.

The film that does the most damage to DOFP's ending is Logan, which makes the X-Men's accomplishments in that film seem moot really quickly.

From a comics eye view, it is not surprising. Age of Apocalypse undid DOFP and House of M. One of the core themes of X-Men stories is survival-ship. I remember from the cartoons the first time DOFP happened, the accomplishment was supposedly undone by the legacy virus. X-Men is not a world of happy endings. tragic but true.



DOFP said the future is never set, Logan's world becoming what is was not surprising. I fear this aspect of x-men will be diminished in the MCU. MCU is so connected. The characters are too joined by the hip so are their stories. X-men had many wonderful stories of dystopian and little mutant population. Don't think MCU will be too interested in that. Their goal is to connect everything not tell actual stories of comics. Spider-Man in the MCU, his world is bleeding fast into IronMan's world. Happy is about to start dating Aunt May. when did Spiderman need that?