Pitch a Direction: Nightwing

[oasis1313]

I wouldn’t mind another Nightwing lead outsiders run. Make them a separate (but equal) branch of the league to handle operations the JL can’t touch.

Plus it would allow fans to get both the secret agent/spy stuff along with his vegashaven (if we must allow it to still be a thing) so everybody wins.

This sounds really good to me. Free Dick Grayson !!!!

[wvchemteach]

I really want Dick to have a series of bases around the US that are at frequent stops of Haly's circus.

Why stop with the US. Make it international. Have stashes in London, Glasgow, Paris, Bonn, Berlin, Rome, Athens, Budapest, Vienna, Zurich, Oslo, Cairo, New Delhi, Bangkok, Hong Kong, Shang-hi, Tokoyo. Have Dick and Spyral flip the scrip on Halys and make it a mobile recruitment and training operation as well as providing cover for Dick to travel internationally. You could have different supporting characters be acts in the Circus. Male the Skullgirls and Mouse be acrobats, have Thrilldevil trick ride, have Gorillia Grimm both provide the lighting and effects and perhaps do a animal training act where he an animal is training the animals, have Stallion and his cowboy get up go a step further and have him trick shoot, have Shawn/Defacer do the commercial art for the circus.


At the same time tie this into a new Titan's run which is X-Men-like. The Circus finds and recruits young metahumans and then ships them to the Titans where you have Donna, Wally, Garth, Roy, Kori, Raven, Garfield, Steel, and Miss Martian with Dick appearing on and off training the metas in a world that fears them.

[dropkickjake]

I wouldn’t mind another Nightwing lead outsiders run. Make them a separate (but equal) branch of the league to handle operations the JL can’t touch.

Plus it would allow fans to get both the secret agent/spy stuff along with his vegashaven (if we must allow it to still be a thing) so everybody wins.

Honestly, I'd be alright with his solo/team split this way. Team book being him leading a clandestine team out of spyral (with Kathy Kane as his M, I'm never letting go of that idea), and his solo being in Bludhaven and dealing more with his own tales.

Bludhaven-

Nightwing
Daminan (Robin or Redbird or Flamebird)
Steph Brown (As Spoiler or Wing-Girl or Flamebird)

Outsiders-

Dick
Rose
Power Girl
Martian Manhunter
Zatanna
Atom
Green Arrow?

[dropkickjake]

Why stop with the US. Make it international. Have stashes in London, Glasgow, Paris, Bonn, Berlin, Rome, Athens, Budapest, Vienna, Zurich, Oslo, Cairo, New Delhi, Bangkok, Hong Kong, Shang-hi, Tokoyo. Have Dick and Spyral flip the scrip on Halys and make it a mobile recruitment and training operation as well as providing cover for Dick to travel internationally. You could have different supporting characters be acts in the Circus. Male the Skullgirls and Mouse be acrobats, have Thrilldevil trick ride, have Gorillia Grimm both provide the lighting and effects and perhaps do a animal training act where he an animal is training the animals, have Stallion and his cowboy get up go a step further and have him trick shoot, have Shawn/Defacer do the commercial art for the circus.


At the same time tie this into a new Titan's run which is X-Men-like. The Circus finds and recruits young metahumans and then ships them to the Titans where you have Donna, Wally, Garth, Roy, Kori, Raven, Garfield, Steel, and Miss Martian with Dick appearing on and off training the metas in a world that fears them.

This would be a super fun run of Nightwing. I'd eat it up.

[oasis1313]

I thought Haly's Circus was destroyed along with Dick's trust fund.

[byrd156]

I thought Haly's Circus was destroyed along with Dick's trust fund.

Continuity doesn't matter anymore.

[oasis1313]

Honestly, I'd be alright with his solo/team split this way. Team book being him leading a clandestine team out of spyral (with Kathy Kane as his M, I'm never letting go of that idea), and his solo being in Bludhaven and dealing more with his own tales.

Bludhaven-

Nightwing
Daminan (Robin or Redbird or Flamebird)
Steph Brown (As Spoiler or Wing-Girl or Flamebird)

Outsiders-

Dick
Rose
Power Girl
Martian Manhunter
Zatanna
Atom
Green Arrow?

I would adjust your "away team" list a little:

Dick
Rose
Power Girl
Frankenstein
Forager (Fred Bugg with two "G's")
Wally West

DC always seems to push Martian Manhunter and I'm afraid they'd promote him over Dick; Green Arrow would try to be alpha male and if Dick is on a team, HE needs to be the dog in charge.

[Ascended]

A whole week (almost) without a post? For shame!

Okay, here's a question. Haley's Casino. I am really growing to like this idea a lot. A whole gods damn lot. Seriously, Im stealing this idea so hard! And we talked a little about Rose being a bouncer (great idea) and guest star performers like Zatanna, Mister Miracle, and Black Canary, but who else would round out that supporting cast? Who would be the "regular" performers, would there be other bouncers? What about managers, people working the casino floor, regular attendees at the casino, etc?

[wvchemteach]

A whole week (almost) without a post? For shame!

Okay, here's a question. Haley's Casino. I am really growing to like this idea a lot. A whole gods damn lot. Seriously, Im stealing this idea so hard! And we talked a little about Rose being a bouncer (great idea) and guest star performers like Zatanna, Mister Miracle, and Black Canary, but who else would round out that supporting cast? Who would be the "regular" performers, would there be other bouncers? What about managers, people working the casino floor, regular attendees at the casino, etc?

Have the Skullgirls act as an acrobat act and also have them work as dealers at the tables. Have Stallion work the bar. Hire Grimm as a bouncer. Bring in one of the Fox daughters, Tam or Tiffany to manage it. Have Dick work the bar, tables, etc. To all appearances he's just a lowly employee. Maybe have Madam Xanadu working as a fortune teller.

[dropkickjake]

I would adjust your "away team" list a little:

Dick
Rose
Power Girl
Frankenstein
Forager (Fred Bugg with two "G's")
Wally West

DC always seems to push Martian Manhunter and I'm afraid they'd promote him over Dick; Green Arrow would try to be alpha male and if Dick is on a team, HE needs to be the dog in charge.

So that was the team I'd make if I was in charge of stuff. I do love the idea of including Wally instead of Green Arrow, though. As for Martian Manhunter, Dick leading a team with such a prominent hero would do a lot to further Dick's claim to being one of the best leaders in the world of comics.

A whole week (almost) without a post? For shame!

Okay, here's a question. Haley's Casino. I am really growing to like this idea a lot. A whole gods damn lot. Seriously, Im stealing this idea so hard! And we talked a little about Rose being a bouncer (great idea) and guest star performers like Zatanna, Mister Miracle, and Black Canary, but who else would round out that supporting cast? Who would be the "regular" performers, would there be other bouncers? What about managers, people working the casino floor, regular attendees at the casino, etc?

So honestly, I'm cooling on Rose being a part of Dick's Bludhaven world. At first I really liked that she didnt quite fit the superhero mold, but the more I think about it the more I love her being Dick's partner with Spyral. She fits that like a glove, image and personality.

As for other supporting cast, I think CC Haly would make a good grandfatherly figure for Dick (if he wasn't dead). In a recurring role, mind you, not an every issue Alfred-Batman dynamic. That would feel a little too derivative.

I think that the Double Dare gals are an option to perform shows at the casino from time to time.

[dropkickjake]

Have the Skullgirls act as an acrobat act and also have them work as dealers at the tables. Have Stallion work the bar. Hire Grimm as a bouncer. Bring in one of the Fox daughters, Tam or Tiffany to manage it.

Oh yeah I dig all these real well. You could bring in Hogan from the early Dixo series to run the bar as well!

Have Dick work the bar, tables, etc. To all appearances he's just a lowly employee. Maybe have Madam Xanadu working as a fortune teller.

This actually drives at a point I've been curious about since suggesting the Casino: Dick's financial status/living situation/role at the casino. Dick has lived in places as different as a dingy third floor walk up and stately Wayne Manor. When he was Batman he lived in the penthouse of wayne tower, but as Nightwing he always seems to live in small apartments. Is that small apartment living style intrinsic to Nightwing? If so, why? When it comes to Haly's Casino, is there a reason that he shouldn't be the "owner" of it?

[Ascended]

Have the Skullgirls act as an acrobat act and also have them work as dealers at the tables.

Are they old enough to do that? I'd want them around somewhere but I'd settle for them being students at Spyral's academy if they're not old enough to work at a casino. As Spyral trainees they could have a fun dynamic with Rose; I can see them sorta hero-worshiping her and wanting to be like her, which would likely freak Rose out a little.

Have Stallion work the bar.

I like this idea a lot.

Have Dick work the bar, tables, etc. To all appearances he's just a lowly employee.

And this. Dick just being a "floater" works on a lot of levels, though I dunno if I'd want to cloak his ownership and role in the casino that deeply. It'd make sense if he wasn't bogged down with much of the day-to-day stuff, but him wandering around, working a hour or three in different positions, almost randomly, is kinda fun in a almost "secret boss" kinda way.

Maybe have Madam Xanadu working as a fortune teller.

Oh, nice idea!

So honestly, I'm cooling on Rose being a part of Dick's Bludhaven world. At first I really liked that she didnt quite fit the superhero mold, but the more I think about it the more I love her being Dick's partner with Spyral. She fits that like a glove, image and personality.

Right?

As for other supporting cast, I think CC Haly would make a good grandfatherly figure for Dick (if he wasn't dead). In a recurring role, mind you, not an every issue Alfred-Batman dynamic. That would feel a little too derivative.

I think Haley (is it really Haly?) would be perfect as the casino's head manager. He's obviously experienced enough to make it work and it'd be a great tie to Dick's youth. But I'd definitely make him a regular part of the supporting cast. If he's the guy running the casino for Dick he's gonna be around. Easy enough to prevent him from falling into the "Alfred" role too; just don't let him be involved in Dick's "other" life. Maybe he knows Dick gets up to.....something.....but doesn't know what, and doesn't want to. Closer to Lucius Fox in the Nolan films than Alfred. Or maybe he's just totally clueless about what Dick does when he's not at work. Either way, Dick could benefit from a supporting player like that and it wouldn't have to fall into "Alfred" territory any further than Haley also being an older guy who works for Dick.

I think that the Double Dare gals are an option to perform shows at the casino from time to time.

That'd be cool too. Especially if you pulled Roxy Rocket into Dick's rogues gallery there's not much need for Double Dare, they fill basically the same role. And between them and Stallion I like the idea that Dick not only fights crime, but tries to help criminals reform. I think that does more to illustrate Dick's character than a hundred words ever could.

[wvchemteach]

Oh yeah I dig all these real well. You could bring in Hogan from the early Dixo series to run the bar as well!



This actually drives at a point I've been curious about since suggesting the Casino: Dick's financial status/living situation/role at the casino. Dick has lived in places as different as a dingy third floor walk up and stately Wayne Manor. When he was Batman he lived in the penthouse of wayne tower, but as Nightwing he always seems to live in small apartments. Is that small apartment living style intrinsic to Nightwing? If so, why? When it comes to Haly's Casino, is there a reason that he shouldn't be the "owner" of it?

I can see Dick pretending to just be an average worker because it allows him to be "among the people". It would allow him to keep track of his investment, but also allow him to ply someone he's trying to get information on as well.

Finally, I think it is playing with fire that Bruce is such a high profile alter-ego and that it would be safer for Dick to be just an average person to the general public.

[Ascended]

This actually drives at a point I've been curious about since suggesting the Casino: Dick's financial status/living situation/role at the casino. Dick has lived in places as different as a dingy third floor walk up and stately Wayne Manor. When he was Batman he lived in the penthouse of wayne tower, but as Nightwing he always seems to live in small apartments. Is that small apartment living style intrinsic to Nightwing? If so, why? When it comes to Haly's Casino, is there a reason that he shouldn't be the "owner" of it?

I think Dick's not very comfortable with showings of wealth. He's a very humble guy, in his way. Confident of his ability and a showman, but not showoff-y in a "look at my money!" kinda way. Like, Dick rarely dresses like you'd expect a super rich Wayne kid to dress, right? It's all cheap t-shirts and hoodies unless he's forced to wear something nice for a gala or something. And growing up in a circus he was likely squeezed into a small trailer with his entire family and big, expansive houses like the manor might just feel unnaturally or needlessly big to him. And maybe its even a reminder of the loss that brought him to such lofty living conditions in the first place. In any case, he seems to prefer "cozy" to "spacious."

I dont think it's "intrinsic" to Nightwing. I think Dick lives where he has to live, and there's definitely a "wanderlust" to him that keeps him moving so he's always staying in different places anyway. But I think that, if he had his choice, Dick would rather be in a small-medium sized apartment than anything.

Regarding the casino, I'd say that Dick should be the owner, while Haley runs the operation. That covers any monetary needs Dick has (and being Nightwing ain't cheap!) without needing to dip into Bruce's money (Dick being self-reliant and self-sufficient is very important, I think). How ownership would end up in Dick's hands with Haley alive is.....details. I think Dick would have a suite apartment at the top floor (the smallest rooms, with the rest of the floor perhaps dedicated to his Nightwing gear), which would be spacious, but not half as large as the manor, and probably understated rather than opulent. He'd probably decorate with old circus posters rather than Rembrandt's, with furnishings not far off from what you'd find at Target rather than golden toilets and gilded bed stands. Well made, sturdy stuff, but practical more than anything. It would certainly be smaller than most people in his position and economic bracket would live in, and probably still bigger than Dick would really prefer.

[Jackalope89]

I would adjust your "away team" list a little:

Dick
Rose
Power Girl
Frankenstein
Forager (Fred Bugg with two "G's")
Wally West

DC always seems to push Martian Manhunter and I'm afraid they'd promote him over Dick; Green Arrow would try to be alpha male and if Dick is on a team, HE needs to be the dog in charge.

I'd pop Jason in there too. Maybe as a "part-timer" kind of thing, or even an informant.