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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    I dunno, haven't we learned the lesson of Hal Jordan?

    I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate Dick wearing nothing but a green cape and hood though.
    Yeah I don't want running around murdering people as the angel of death.
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    A few more things...

    I like the idea of two costumes, maybe red for Vegas-Haven and classic blue for Spyral missions? I'd also have Dick run an orphanage to build his profile outside of the suit, that might too much strain on him since its a heavy workload but I guess that could be a future plot point.

    I'd also include more downtime, I've always loved moments like this



    It wouldn't take up entire issues or anything just a page or a couple panels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9th. View Post
    A few more things...

    I like the idea of two costumes, maybe red for Vegas-Haven and classic blue for Spyral missions? I'd also have Dick run an orphanage to build his profile outside of the suit, that might too much strain on him since its a heavy workload but I guess that could be a future plot point.

    I'd also include more downtime, I've always loved moments like this



    It wouldn't take up entire issues or anything just a page or a couple panels.
    I would love if DC had a series devoted to this sort of thing. The heroes in downtime, nothing major, just a fun story going on. And maybe switch out the heroes or something every other issue or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9th. View Post
    A few more things...

    I like the idea of two costumes, maybe red for Vegas-Haven and classic blue for Spyral missions? I'd also have Dick run an orphanage to build his profile outside of the suit, that might too much strain on him since its a heavy workload but I guess that could be a future plot point.
    I was thinking about it, and I realized that I dont think any of us have mentioned the two most obvious things in the world. A "stealth" mode, and the spyral implants.

    When Dick's on a Spyral mission, his suit just goes all black. No emblem, no red, no blue. Weisman even did this with Young Justice! And we know the spyral implants already blur the face, so just extend that to the suit. They see no details. No seams. Just a blurry shadow. And if the implants don't affect cameras (I dont remember if they do) then Dick steals Mister Terrific's mask tech, making Nightwing invisible to technology of all kinds and a completely blurred shadow to everyone who looks at him.

    This tech can be incorporated in his mask, so Dick doesn't have to have a chip in his skull again (I never did like that).

    Ha! I feel like the fact none of us thought of this shows why we're not pro's. (if someone did mention this, then DC should probably call you, yeah?)

    I'd also include more downtime, I've always loved moments like this
    So much yes to this! I miss the days when a hero got to sit down for five minutes and have a cheeseburger and conversation, yknow? Some writers try to make these scenes this big, drawn out excuse to try and be clever with dialogue, and a lot of other writers don't even bother. Like, give me two pages of the hero wearing a regular shirt, doing a regular thing, with other people doing regular things. Or even one page. These are the moments that make us love these characters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackalope89 View Post
    I would love if DC had a series devoted to this sort of thing. The heroes in downtime, nothing major, just a fun story going on. And maybe switch out the heroes or something every other issue or something.
    Love the idea. No one would buy it, because no one ever buys the best stuff, but I would love this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackalope89 View Post
    I would love if DC had a series devoted to this sort of thing. The heroes in downtime, nothing major, just a fun story going on. And maybe switch out the heroes or something every other issue or something.
    I'd love a "Batman AND Family" book, a lighter book as you described. It'd be a lot more interesting than putting out stuff that has to be censored on the second printing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9th. View Post
    A few more things...

    I like the idea of two costumes, maybe red for Vegas-Haven and classic blue for Spyral missions? I'd also have Dick run an orphanage to build his profile outside of the suit, that might too much strain on him since its a heavy workload but I guess that could be a future plot point.

    I'd also include more downtime, I've always loved moments like this



    It wouldn't take up entire issues or anything just a page or a couple panels.
    E hen We Are Robin was announced, I had hoped this is what it would be...a book withbDick, Tim, Jason and Damien. I would LOVE to get a book like that still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Glad you like my ideas. I'm not the brightest crayon in the box, but I do have my moments now and then.

    And if we're just looking at the creative side of things, having Dick wear the "Grayson" uniform (or something like it) when he's at his "real" job is a brilliant idea. It'd make sense that he wouldnt wear the Nightwing gear when he's doing Spyral stuff. However, if we want to take the business side into consideration, I feel like we have to keep him in costume. Just for the brand recognition, yknow? I'm pretty sure the lack of the costume (and Nightwing title) is one of the things that kept Grayson from really out-selling the previous run. It doesn't make much sense for him to wear the same suit at both "jobs" if he's trying to keep Spyral on the DL but I think it'd be better for sales.

    Quote Originally Posted by 9th. View Post
    A few more things...

    I like the idea of two costumes, maybe red for Vegas-Haven and classic blue for Spyral missions? I'd also have Dick run an orphanage to build his profile outside of the suit, that might too much strain on him since its a heavy workload but I guess that could be a future plot point.
    I do think one of the errors made in Grayson was that his spy get up was so bland. Not visually striking at all. Basically, my two costumes idea would seek to keep two already established Nightwing visual motifs in the book:

    While he is in Bludhaven or with the Titans doing "hero" work, I'd have him wear something similar to his get up from Young Justice season 2. Bird symbol on his chest feels very heroic. I'd probably keep the black and blue, but it might be fun to let him have some different suits all with that symbol (like all the different batman action figures I had as a kid). Blue and gold could feel a bit more in touch with the vegas vibe. But the colors here arent a huge deal for me.

    While he with Spyral doing "spy" work, I'd have wear something very similar to the costume from the Chuck Dixon Nightwing series. Take the chevron on his chest and the finger stripes and put them on some long sleeved "spy" looking clothing. Lose the domino mask, maybe make it a turtle neck (I remember Archer always loved getting to wear those in the FX series).

    Both of these are instantly visually recognizable as Nightwing, but can provide something of a "double* life" effect for him. His double life just so happens to be hero/spy instead of day job/super hero.

    *Triple life, I suppose. As you've said, though, his civilian life shouldn't really get too much of the spot light here. Given the Vegashaven setting, I'd have him be the owner and operator of a Wayne Corp owned high rise casino in the heart of town. He'd live in the pent house, and both the upper floors and the sub-basement levels would contain spyral/Nightwing HQ. Maybe Spyral HQ should be somewhere different, but I'd still have it in Bludhaven somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dropkickjake View Post
    I do think one of the errors made in Grayson was that his spy get up was so bland. Not visually striking at all. Basically, my two costumes idea would seek to keep two already established Nightwing visual motifs in the book:

    While he is in Bludhaven or with the Titans doing "hero" work, I'd have him wear something similar to his get up from Young Justice season 2. Bird symbol on his chest feels very heroic. I'd probably keep the black and blue, but it might be fun to let him have some different suits all with that symbol (like all the different batman action figures I had as a kid). Blue and gold could feel a bit more in touch with the vegas vibe. But the colors here arent a huge deal for me.

    While he with Spyral doing "spy" work, I'd have wear something very similar to the costume from the Chuck Dixon Nightwing series. Take the chevron on his chest and the finger stripes and put them on some long sleeved "spy" looking clothing. Lose the domino mask, maybe make it a turtle neck (I remember Archer always loved getting to wear those in the FX series).

    Both of these are instantly visually recognizable as Nightwing, but can provide something of a "double* life" effect for him. His double life just so happens to be hero/spy instead of day job/super hero.

    *Triple life, I suppose. As you've said, though, his civilian life shouldn't really get too much of the spot light here. Given the Vegashaven setting, I'd have him be the owner and operator of a Wayne Corp owned high rise casino in the heart of town. He'd live in the pent house, and both the upper floors and the sub-basement levels would contain spyral/Nightwing HQ. Maybe Spyral HQ should be somewhere different, but I'd still have it in Bludhaven somewhere.
    Circus Circus. On the nose, but oh so fitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropkickjake View Post
    While he is in Bludhaven or with the Titans doing "hero" work, I'd have him wear something similar to his get up from Young Justice season 2. Bird symbol on his chest feels very heroic. I'd probably keep the black and blue.

    While he with Spyral doing "spy" work, I'd have wear something very similar to the costume from the Chuck Dixon Nightwing series. Take the chevron on his chest and the finger stripes and put them on some long sleeved "spy" looking clothing. Lose the domino mask, maybe make it a turtle neck (I remember Archer always loved getting to wear those in the FX series).
    I quite like this idea.

    Though I think I myself would have Dick's spy gear change with each mission, and his "hero" costume remain more static. You could use the Dixon colors and chest chevron as a theme worked across all the spy gear, in the same way Harley wears a theme across a full, ever-changing wardrobe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackalope89 View Post
    Circus Circus. On the nose, but oh so fitting.
    The Circus Circus has become kind of a dump. I’d use a nicer place like The Bellagio with its zillion dollar “O” Cirque show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oasis1313 View Post
    The Circus Circus has become kind of a dump. I’d use a nicer place like The Bellagio with its zillion dollar “O” Cirque show.
    Well, that's why Dick bought it! To fix it up and use as a base of operations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oasis1313 View Post
    The Circus Circus has become kind of a dump. I’d use a nicer place like The Bellagio with its zillion dollar “O” Cirque show.
    What about something more simple like dick as zatanna's manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackalope89 View Post
    Circus Circus. On the nose, but oh so fitting.
    Had no idea what you were talking about until I did a google image search...

    And yeah that place looks like a dump.

    But using that as inspiration for the design of the building would be incredible. Skyscraper meets circus tent all in neon lights. In a classy way. I'm in.

    Quote Originally Posted by WonderNight View Post
    What about something more simple like dick as zatanna's manager.
    I definitely think Zatanna would be great to have as a recurring cameo character and guest star from time to time would be fantastic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WonderNight View Post
    What about something more simple like dick as zatanna's manager.
    Zatanna could be Dick's manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropkickjake View Post
    I definitely think Zatanna would be great to have as a recurring cameo character and guest star from time to time would be fantastic!
    yeah vegashaven is a great way for the dcu to come to dick. You get bruce wyane and Lex Luthor show up for business events, Clark to report on sporting events, zatanna and vixen for entertainment events and Donna the photographer taking photos.

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