Pitch a Direction: Nightwing

[oasis1313]

You had me at "Power Girl."

But honestly? Karen and Damian....those two together would likely steal the show.

That's why you tell the writer: "Nightwing is the star, and that's how I want to see it. If he isn't, it's coming back to you for rewrites."

[Ascended]

That's why you tell the writer: "Nightwing is the star, and that's how I want to see it. If he isn't, it's coming back to you for rewrites."

No man, I mean their interactions and dynamic would be funny as hell. That's what I meant by "steal the show," not a "they're both cooler/better/more capable than Nightwing." kind of thing, just a "they're really funny together" kind of thing.

I just think they'd have fantastic banter. All of them would, and we know Dick can quip with the best of them, but Karen being forced to hang around Damian? That's comedy gold man.

[Godlike13]

When Dick and Damian are in a book together, no one steals the show from them

[oasis1313]

When Dick and Damian are in a book together, no one steals the show from them

A Nightwing and Robin book would be so much fun--which is probably why DC won't give it to us. I can imagine Karen and Dick attracted to each other, and Damian being very , "Ewwww--girls have cooties."

[yohyoi]

Dick Grayson infiltrating Hollywood's darkest parts.

By day, Dick Grayson: stuntman and underwear model (yeah, this is gonna sell). By night, Nightwing: detective and hero. Nightwing will battle against satanist cults, human traffickers, serial celebrity killers, celebrity serial killers and more. Dick will also have a dozen hot love interests, because this is a Nightwing comic. DC, you can pm me for more details.

[byrd156]

If Dick had to have a job outside of being a hero, he really needs to be an entertainer. He's been a performer his whole life and that's something he needs to keep doing whether in costume or not.

[Ascended]

I'm of the mind that Dick doesn't need a normal day job. Dude's never been able to hold down a regular gig and Dick has never lived a "normal" day in his life. A regular job just feels like it holds him back.

But if he has to have one, why not make him an acrobat? They still perform in casinos and places like that and Dick obviously has the skillset. He could be the Flying Grayson again.

Sure, people who see him perform and then see Nightwing in action might note the similarities in the move set....but how many people know enough about acrobatics to see anything more than flips and jumps? And if someone who could tell the difference did come around, then that's just "secret identity in danger" spice, and a pretty standard troupe.

[dropkickjake]

I agree that no day job is the best route, but I do think that hollywood stuntman is a decent shout. I feel like that would be perfect for an elseworlds story.

[oasis1313]

I agree that no day job is the best route, but I do think that hollywood stuntman is a decent shout. I feel like that would be perfect for an elseworlds story.

I don't think a superhero can pull off a career where he/she is surrounded by other people all the time; they can't come and go as they need to. The Titans TV show has a decent idea in having Dick be a cop, but rapidly advanced through the system to the rank of detective (thanks to his skills and intelligence) so that he can work alone. Something like a crime or mystery novelist could be workable; he certainly has the experience to write books about it. He could probably pass the Legal Bar Exam without even showing up to classes. We've had decades of "I wanna be my own man!!!!". Perhaps it's time to "embrace the suck" and make a family business out of Batman Inc. Assign various Bat-operatives in hotspot cities around the world--or on other worlds. Anything but Hobo Ric.

[Ascended]

I don't think a superhero can pull off a career where he/she is surrounded by other people all the time; they can't come and go as they need to.

I dunno man, Clark and Barry and plenty of others have made it work over the years.

I think the "day job/secret identity" thing is one of those troupes you just gotta roll with, because it doesn't stand up to scrutiny and never has. >shrug<

Of course, it doesnt fit every character, and I think Dick is one of them. But still, I'd hate to see the ones it does fit leave it behind just because audiences currently demand more "realism" from their comics.

Perhaps it's time to "embrace the suck" and make a family business out of Batman Inc. Assign various Bat-operatives in hotspot cities around the world--or on other worlds. Anything but Hobo Ric.

That's been mentioned a few times, usually when we start talking about Dick being some kind of super-spy or otherwise running a large organization that fills a semi-similar role. I can't say I'd have a problem with Nightwing running a Batman Inc type of group, though the idea of using that particular name does grate. Still, maybe that's the best we could hope for, and maybe being so strongly tied to the Bat brand, but finally in a position of authority, would be beneficial.

[oasis1313]

I dunno man, Clark and Barry and plenty of others have made it work over the years.

I think the "day job/secret identity" thing is one of those troupes you just gotta roll with, because it doesn't stand up to scrutiny and never has. >shrug<

Of course, it doesnt fit every character, and I think Dick is one of them. But still, I'd hate to see the ones it does fit leave it behind just because audiences currently demand more "realism" from their comics.



That's been mentioned a few times, usually when we start talking about Dick being some kind of super-spy or otherwise running a large organization that fills a semi-similar role. I can't say I'd have a problem with Nightwing running a Batman Inc type of group, though the idea of using that particular name does grate. Still, maybe that's the best we could hope for, and maybe being so strongly tied to the Bat brand, but finally in a position of authority, would be beneficial.

Superman and the Flash are the fastest guys in the universe. They can step off the job for a potty break, go save the world, and be back before anyone wonders they're taking so long in the bathroom. As a top-tier reporter, Clark has a great deal of flexibility on the job; Barry is often show working alone in the crime lab. Clark has another advantage in that he can "hide" in the crowds of people milling around in Metropolis. With Dick, I'd like to see him have the flexibility he needs. I'm tired of him being a hired gun for Syral, the Court of Owls, whatever. It's time for him to be Boss of something and show off his leadership skills. When the inevitable Next Reboot rolls around, just say he finished law school "offscreen", he's joined the "family business" working with (not "for") Bruce--perhaps as the public relations face of the empire. He's proved he can "make it on his own" time and again, no need to keep pivoting around and around around that idea, let him move on. Let him have the confidence to know he is his "own man", no matter what he's doing, even if it means a sinecure. Perhaps let him focus on crime victims and cold cases, getting justice and help for the system's forgotten and abandoned castoffs. There are thousands of things he can do beyond "The dog always returns to his own vomit."

[dropkickjake]

DUUUUUUUUUDE. Your post gave me an idea.

But first let me say, I think that Superheroes having day jobs is fantastic when those characters have a reason to have a day job. Spiderman, for example, was a normal person with normal friends who then had something supernatural happen to him. Him having a civilian life makes sense; he has an aunt, a school life, a girlfriend, et c. All of Dick's friends are heroes. His iconic love interests aren't scientists and models, they're vigilantes and aliens. Bruce has more reason to live a normal life than Dick, because Wayne Enterprises is his parents legacy. This, btw, is something I'd like to see more of in Batman comics. More attention being paid to Bruce Wayne. But I digress.

Anywho. The idea you gave me. Dick should definitely take control of Spyral, Batman Inc, and the Parliament of Owls and turn it into his own massive agency. Call it C.A.P.E.(ya know, for the irony), or something. That is enough material to last a long, long time in terms of the length of the run.

[oasis1313]

DUUUUUUUUUDE. Your post gave me an idea.

But first let me say, I think that Superheroes having day jobs is fantastic when those characters have a reason to have a day job. Spiderman, for example, was a normal person with normal friends who then had something supernatural happen to him. Him having a civilian life makes sense; he has an aunt, a school life, a girlfriend, et c. All of Dick's friends are heroes. His iconic love interests aren't scientists and models, they're vigilantes and aliens. Bruce has more reason to live a normal life than Dick, because Wayne Enterprises is his parents legacy. This, btw, is something I'd like to see more of in Batman comics. More attention being paid to Bruce Wayne. But I digress.

Anywho. The idea you gave me. Dick should definitely take control of Spyral, Batman Inc, and the Parliament of Owls and turn it into his own massive agency. Call it C.A.P.E.(ya know, for the irony), or something. That is enough material to last a long, long time in terms of the length of the run.

I'm tired of Dick being somebody else's stooge; I think he should go back to being the best leader in the DC Universe. Hobo Ric needs to go so OUR Dick can come back.

[Ascended]

I'm tired of him being a hired gun for Syral, the Court of Owls, whatever. It's time for him to be Boss of something and show off his leadership skills.

Couldn't agree more. Which is why all the ideas I toss around have Dick in such a role. He's supposed to be one of the great leaders of the DCU, but it's been a long damn time since DC treated him like one. I'm beyond tired of the bullsh*t.

When the inevitable Next Reboot rolls around, just say he finished law school "offscreen", he's joined the "family business" working with (not "for") Bruce--perhaps as the public relations face of the empire.

I mean, he'd be good at such a role I'm sure. But I struggle to see Dick in a office and I'd rather not see him working for Wayne Enterprises. Because no matter how much he's supposed to be working "with" Bruce instead of "for" him, the dynamic is always going to keep Dick as, at best, a (very) junior partner.

He's proved he can "make it on his own" time and again, no need to keep pivoting around and around around that idea, let him move on.

I definitely feel like the character's arc should've moved beyond this permanently well before now. I feel like it should've been put in the rear view during the Dixon days, if not Wolfman's.

But that's a problem most of Dick's generation has had. Vic always go back to the "man or machine" troupe, Dick is always trying to establish himself as his own man away from Bruce, Gar is never allowed to grow up, Raven is always having daddy issues, etc. So, at least Dick isn't alone. I guess. Small comfort that it is.

[Ascended]

Anywho. The idea you gave me. Dick should definitely take control of Spyral, Batman Inc, and the Parliament of Owls and turn it into his own massive agency. Call it C.A.P.E.(ya know, for the irony), or something. That is enough material to last a long, long time in terms of the length of the run.

Leave the Court of Owls as villains, and I'm down. But then, this is very much in line with my own thoughts about Dick running Spyral.

The Court would make good foes for Dick; the whole thing with Haley's makes it personal, Dick's grandfather was a Talon, and you could put Dick's spy organization up against the Owl's secret society.

Say what you will about Snyder's Bat run, but the Court is a great villain and could easily outlast Snyder's time with DC. You don't often see a new bad guy come along with staying power, but the Court just might manage it.