Black Bolt's Scream vs. The Following

[The Arbiter]

This is "classic" BB when his voice was most potent.

He yells "AHHHHH!" at the top of his lungs at the following:

Captain America's shield
Classic Cain Juggernaut
Classic Mjolnir
Destroyer Armor
Gladiator
Silver Surfer
Thanos
Adamantium body Ultron

What survives? What doesn't?

Edit: just one lungful of scream. No repeated screams.

[Beadle]

Blackagar Boltagon (because why wouldn’t you use his whole silly name if you can?) at his peak has a scream that tore open a hole in reality. I’m pretty sure that’s beyond basically everything above.

[The Chou Lives]

Physical contact and no force fields and stuff?

Classic Juggernaut I know survives, as a skeleton fueled of hate.

Thanos should survive as he is tough as hel and immune to being transmutate ( B.B. scream is electron/atomic based. Apocalypse died because he wa molecular tier shaping, a degree below drakkennatomics.$

Gladiator I can see getting screwed up.

Surfer? Black Bolt talking got him and a foe to stop fighting and heed him. Yeah, Norton acknowledges him as a threat meaning he does not want to get hit by a full scream.

I think the Destroyer armor can withstand with damage as it can take. Elestoal attacks.

Shield, hammer, and Iltron get destroyed on my opinion. Molecule Man destroyed the items and rebuilt them. Classic black bolt power screws on atomic level/electrons. So yeah, the mentioned items get wrecked. Like destroyed.

I do not see true adamantiim or whatever surviving the blast so Ultron goes bye bye.

[The Chou Lives]

Blackagar Boltagon (because why wouldn’t you use his whole silly name if you can?) at his peak has a scream that tore open a hole in reality. I’m pretty sure that’s beyond basically everything above.

It is true Black Bolt can tear a hole in reality, it was because scream was funneled/amped cia plot device he screamed into like a super mega phone. I honestly do think his scream could kill all but Classic Jiggernaut And Thanos May get killed/lord. But nothing else is going to survive a full lungful scream. Yeah.

[The Dork Knight]

The Black Bolt Fault feat has too many caveats for it to be a feat for him. For one thing, he was explicitly using a bomb. Him powering it doesn't make it his own power when there is another, clearly amplifying device, involved (the art repeatedly shows his syllables getting amplified within the echopacitor). Its like Superman powering planet moving engines with heat vision or Hulk holding together a device that was stopping planet busting, doesn't actually translate to heat vision or Hulk's strength directly being equivalent to the same

Further it was explicitly noted that fabric of space time had already been ruptured by widescale wars and nega bombs

Bolt also screamed later minus bomb in the Fault, in the immediate aftermath, without nearly the same results

And the "payload" being removed was only the terrigen mists being rendered inert. The bomb itself detonated just fine. Maximus specifically noting the bomb has detonated



Narrators confirming in next issue that Black Bolt detonated a missile



BB is plenty powerful without giving him feats that are clearly not his own power alone

[The Dork Knight]

Plus if Black Bolts voice and only his voice was needed to pull off a galaxy wide transformation, and the bomb itself played no role, we're basically arguing that all it takes for Bolt is a deep breath to put Odin back to Odinsleep

Which goes okay with the recent celestial murder thing but not so much with his overall career

[Pendaran]

The Fault wasn't galaxy wide, it was parsecs across. The other problem of what you're going with is that the entire purpose of said bomb was to spread the terrigen mists as a shockwave, and that the page you're citing for backup, also itself talks about the bomb having been inert, which is putting you in the position of having to say some "previously on War of Kings" counts and other "previously on War of Kings" does not. The amplifying device was for when it was attached to him and that he was charging the bomb up by that in the first place. He detonated the "missile" by having overloaded it and gone beyond it by use of his voice. And really, the bomb is the missile.


The point of the fault thing is that it went beyond Bolt powering a thing, to Bolt combining the force of whatever it exploded with, alongside the power of his own voice. That's not really the same as "Superman powering a thing". That would be "Superman powered a thing, then, using his powers outside of powering that thing...."


It's that Bolt's voice was part of said explosion, and if his voice was even a portion of a multi parsec reality tear explosion? That's pretty good.

[The Dork Knight]

The Fault wasn't galaxy wide, it was parsecs across. The other problem of what you're going with is that the entire purpose of said bomb was to spread the terrigen mists as a shockwave

A shockwave that was to spread across the galaxy. Therefore if Black Bolts voice is the only element that powers it, with no other factor involved, Black Bolts voice must operate on a galaxy wide scale

To say otherwise is to acknowledge that there is another element beyond Bolt's voice involved, and hence make the feat unusable given who knows what percentage is his voice and what the explosion

And really, the bomb is the missile.

Now that's actually contradicting what is said on the page. The bomb being rendered inert refers to the terrigen mists being removed (payload) hence the big payoff from the event is not... the galactic transformation of all species. As was the original intent of the T bomb

The "missile" here is merely the explosion part, without the spread of the mists. It's as clear as can be, from the events that follow. A missile did detonate, the effects of the bomb didn't.

The point of the fault thing is that it went beyond Bolt powering a thing, to Bolt combining the force of whatever it exploded with, alongside the power of his own voice.

No. Where's it say any of that in the actual comics? "Overloading" something is not equivalent to the overloading force being comparable to the explosion. An engine or a boiler may get overloaded, yet the power source is not even comparable to the combustion of explosive material that follows

The main problem here is trying to say that just because Bolt provided more power than was needed to blast off a device meant to have galaxy wide consequences (shouldn't its effects be more instead of less if Bolt is the only source and he is providing more energy than necessary in the first place) he automatically gets something out of the feat

But considering the actual thing is explicitly meant to work on a galactic scale, the contribution of Bolt's "overloading" can only be a thing if Bolt is now somehow comparable to stuff that's on a galactic scale

To put it another way, its like when say captain America and Thor lead a dog pile on the Hulk in the same fight, its not really a feat for Cap despite his "contribution" as Hulk already has a level to begin with. Likewise with the bomb - its whole purpose was galactic scale transformation. Bolt's voice being part of the same explosion is a negligible "contribution" if any

[The Dork Knight]

Some other points -

- The "ripping apart fabric of space time" is specifically because stuff like nega bombs had already made the fabric weak. There's a whole side plot in Guardians of Galaxy where they try to convince Bolt not to do it because it rips apart everything until only a solar system is left in the future (power of that bomb huh). Bolt and Co refuse because they believe it will only lead to terrigenesis and nothing else. No "punching a hole in space time" expected despite again Rocket and Co specifically warning about that

Therefore even the "effect" of a parsecs wide tear is called into question if spacetime is already weakened, unlike other occasions. How much again, is the bomb, how much is bolts voice and how much is the weakened fabric of space time?

- Bolt later screamed inside the Fault at one of those lovecraftian horrors. The fault didn't rip apart one more parsec or whatever some fraction of that power should have provided

[Pendaran]

A shockwave that was to spread across the galaxy.

And then that was rendered inert for happening, and we're left instead with what the missile and Bolt's voice actually did by contrast, so it's kinda meaningless to talk about as something to discount this by.

Now that's actually contradicting what is said on the page. The bomb being rendered inert refers to the terrigen mists being removed (payload) hence the big payoff from the event is not... the galactic transformation of all species. As was the original intent of the T bomb

The "missile" here is merely the explosion part, without the spread of the mists. It's as clear as can be, from the events that follow. A missile did detonate, the effects of the bomb didn't.

Then why do you talk about the galaxy thing anyway as part of trying to discount this?

The main problem here is trying to say that just because Bolt provided more power than was needed to blast off a device meant to have galaxy wide consequences (shouldn't its effects be more instead of less if Bolt is the only source and he is providing more energy than necessary in the first place) he automatically gets something out of the feat

Your own posts make this not a problem at all, so, problem solved I suppose. It never happened. The feat is what did happen. I am talking about the explosion that made the fault that is the result of Bolt's voice going off along an overloading missile. You are using a thing that never happened to talk about why you can ignore a thing that did, which doesn't really work?

No. Where's it say any of that in the actual comics? "Overloading" something is not equivalent to the overloading force being comparable to the explosion. An engine or a boiler may get overloaded, yet the power source is not even comparable to the combustion of explosive material that follows

… we see the missile is going to overload from that it notes that it is going to overload. At the same time Bolt makes with the voice. Kaboom.

But considering the actual thing is explicitly meant to work on a galactic scale, the contribution of Bolt's "overloading" can only be a thing if Bolt is now somehow comparable to stuff that's on a galactic scale

But again, it was rendered inert from working on that scale by the very stuff you're posting to cite. Sooo, not really, at all.


Moreover, it was designed to do a completely non destructive thing. Spreading terrigen as a shockwave would not.. actually cause damage, it would spread terrigen particles. So we're at that instead talking about a device exploding instead after its bomb was rendered inert.

Likewise with the bomb - its whole purpose was galactic scale transformation.

And then that part of it was made impossible, so what we are left with are instead the effects of Bolt's voice+an exploding missile. You're basically leaning on the shockwave part of this, that never happened, in a way that doesn't support being leaned on.

To put it another way, its like when say captain America and Thor lead a dog pile on the Hulk in the same fight, its not really a feat for Cap despite his "contribution" as Hulk already has a level to begin with. Likewise with the bomb - its whole purpose was galactic scale transformation. Bolt's voice being part of the same explosion is a negligible "contribution" if any

Except that again, that whole purpose was put at an end. We are left with a multi parsec explosion that had nothing to do with spreading terrigen particles. You want to talk about the bomb and missile as separate things, in which case, okay? Your problem is now solved is what that then means.

[Pendaran]

Some other points -

- The "ripping apart fabric of space time" is specifically because stuff like nega bombs had already made the fabric weak. There's a whole side plot in Guardians of Galaxy where they try to convince Bolt not to do it because it rips apart everything until only a solar system is left in the future (power of that bomb huh). Bolt and Co refuse because they believe it will only lead to terrigenesis and nothing else. No "punching a hole in space time" expected despite again Rocket and Co specifically warning about that

Therefore even the "effect" of a parsecs wide tear is called into question if spacetime is already weakened, unlike other occasions. How much again, is the bomb, how much is bolts voice and how much is the weakened fabric of space time?

- Bolt later screamed inside the Fault at one of those lovecraftian horrors. The fault didn't rip apart one more parsec or whatever some fraction of that power should have provided

Bolt later used his voice inside the Fault in what would soon become what I'd like to call the "and now Black Bolt is kinda garbage a whole lot" era. His resurrection having kiiiiinnnda eventually ushered it in. (Yeah, you still got stuff like his weakened voice visibly damaging Thanos during that crossover event for such as that's worth, but on the whole, things started to go to pot, as it were, most of his powers were basically forgotten, what all have you)


As far as the other stuff? The ripping apart everything was a consequence of that rip later spreading and having chain reaction effects beyond itself.



And even taking out the reality tearing stuff for reality being weakened or what have you for not considering that for the damage the explosion did? It was still a multi parsec explosion across space.

[theoneandonly]

op specifies "classic" bb not "war of kings" bb anyway.

[Pendaran]

op specifies "classic" bb not "war of kings" bb anyway.

War of Kings was kinda the last gasp outing of that particular take on otherwise Upjumped Banshee, though there were some exceptions as he went I suppose.

[The Dork Knight]

Wait a minute. So you can talk about Black Bolt playing even a "minor role" in a parsecs wide explosion as being "pretty good"

It's that Bolt's voice was part of said explosion, and if his voice was even a portion of a multi parsec reality tear explosion? That's pretty good

But a detonation (something detonated, anyway whether according to Maximus "bomb" and the narrator "missile,) which even you admit

And then that part of it was made impossible, so what we are left with are instead the effects of Bolt's voice+an exploding missile

So OBVIOUSLY there is some sort of explosive device left anyway, whether you call it a bomb or a missile, for it to "overload". So some "minor portion" of an explosive device that was supposed to be galactic in scale is left over

But apparently a " missile" causing an explosion that was designed to be galactic in scale, cannot play even a "minor role" in the Fault thing?

So Bolt's voice can be part of a parsecs wide explosion but a missile/bomb that was going to be part of a galactic wide effect cannot somehow account for some part of said explosion? And if it does, it somehow doesn't render Bolts feat meaningless?

And in said explosion it is somehow Bolt who gets the feat and not the bomb that was already designed to be well beyond anything Bolt alone could contribute

I mean even if the detonation of a missile designed for a galactic event played even a "minor role", by your own logic, that role renders Bolt's contribution utterly meaningless

We are left with a multi parsec explosion that had nothing to do with spreading terrigen particles.

Except y'know the missile that was carrying said particles. That was set to explode anyway. That was set to be the death of Bolt

Removing the payload and rendering it "inert" removes only part of the whole thing (see actual comic stuff - Maximus and narrative noting detonation) . Even if leaving only a "minor portion" of a galactic scale process..... its a minor portion of a galactic scale process

If you can see the logic behind Bolt having a minor portion of a huge explosion as impressive, I'm sure you can work out the logic of even a minor portion of a galactic scale process (the missile / bomb / carrying device) being, in the same way bolts "contribution" would be important, far too important to ignore. And of course on a completely different scale rendering any other contribution from people whose otherwise best stuff is nowhere near parsecs wide events, negligible

[The Dork Knight]

Bolt later screamed inside the Fault in what would soon become what I'd like to call the "and now Black Bolt is kinda garbage" era. His resurrection having kiiiiinnnda eventually ushered it in.
As far as the other stuff? The ripping apart everything was a consequence of that rip later spreading and having chain reaction effects beyond itself.

And even taking out the reality tearing stuff for reality being weakened or what have you for not considering that for the damage the explosion did? It was still a multi parsec explosion across space.

I fail to see how you can call a multi parsec space rip impressive when the very fabric it ripped is weaker than usual

That's like saying Hulk's World breaker stuff is the same as normal stuff in a normal dimension when matter in the dark dimension is specifically weaker