"Batman and the Outsiders" is pushed back

[MajorHoy]

. . . Currently, the sales of Batline are relatively low . . .

And for the record, here's how the various Bat-books performed on Diamond's Top 300 list in October 2018:

* 1st = Batman #56 - 107,578 copies
* 4th = Batman #57 - 95,296 copies
* 14th = Catwoman #4 - 72,130 copies
* 17th = Detective Comics #990 - 61,040 copies
* 20th = Batman Secret Files #1 (one-shot?) - 58,707 copies
* 29th = Detective Comics #991 - 50,318 copies
* 44th = Harley Quinn #52 - 41,301 copies
* 50th = Batgirl #28 - 37,397 copies
* 56th = Old Lady Harley #1 - 36,520 copies
* 61st = Nightwing #51 - 35,026 copies
<* 64th = Batman The Maxx Arkham Dreams #1 (IDW) - 34,699 copies>
* 81st = Harley Quinn #51 - 30,709 copies
* 83rd - Red Hood Outlaw #27 - 30,343 copies
* 86th = Nightwing #50 - 29,450 copies
* 102nd = Batman Blank Comic #1 (one-shot) - 25,407 copies
* 109th - Batman Beyond #25 - 24,219 copies
<* 111th = Batman The Maxx Arkham Dreams #2 (IDW) - 23,991 copies>
* 114th = Batman: Kings of Fear #3 (of 6) - 23,794 copies
* 131st = Nightwing Magilla Gorilla Special #1 - 21,227 copies
<* 181st = Archie Meets Batman '66 #4 (Archie Comics) - 14,622 copies>
* 238th = Batman Damned #1 (of 3 / In Shops: Sep 19, 2018) - 8,312 copies

[Konja7]

And for the record, here's how the various Bat-books performed on Diamond's Top 300 list in October 2018:

* 1st = Batman #56 - 107,578 copies
* 4th = Batman #57 - 95,296 copies
* 14th = Catwoman #4 - 72,130 copies
* 17th = Detective Comics #990 - 61,040 copies
* 20th = Batman Secret Files #1 (one-shot?) - 58,707 copies
* 29th = Detective Comics #991 - 50,318 copies
* 44th = Harley Quinn #52 - 41,301 copies
* 50th = Batgirl #28 - 37,397 copies
* 56th = Old Lady Harley #1 - 36,520 copies
* 61st = Nightwing #51 - 35,026 copies
<* 64th = Batman The Maxx Arkham Dreams #1 (IDW) - 34,699 copies>
* 81st = Harley Quinn #51 - 30,709 copies
* 83rd - Red Hood Outlaw #27 - 30,343 copies
* 86th = Nightwing #50 - 29,450 copies
* 102nd = Batman Blank Comic #1 (one-shot) - 25,407 copies
* 109th - Batman Beyond #25 - 24,219 copies
<* 111th = Batman The Maxx Arkham Dreams #2 (IDW) - 23,991 copies>
* 114th = Batman: Kings of Fear #3 (of 6) - 23,794 copies
* 131st = Nightwing Magilla Gorilla Special #1 - 21,227 copies
<* 181st = Archie Meets Batman '66 #4 (Archie Comics) - 14,622 copies>
* 238th = Batman Damned #1 (of 3 / In Shops: Sep 19, 2018) - 8,312 copies

I wouldn't use the sales of October (the sales of September would show the situation better), since many of these have Foil Cover, so its sales increased a good amount (Catwoman #4 increased a lot from the previous month).


The Batline comics with a foil cover were these:

- Batgirl #28
- Batman #56
- Batman Beyond #25
- Batman Secret Files #1
- Catwoman #4
- Detective Comics #990
- Nightwing 51
- Harley Quinn #52
- Red Hood and the Outlaws #27

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/07...-foil-october/


PS: The sales of Nightwing #50 increased without foil cover, but that's probably because Nightwing #50 is connected to the story on Batman comic.

[Frontier]

Selina's only marketable for as long as people are still holding on to hope King marries her and Bruce off eventually. If his run ends and that doesn't happen, her sales are going to slide

I mean, I think there is far more to Catwoman and her popularity then just her relationship with Batman, especially with the positive reception to Joelle Jones' run.

[MajorHoy]

I wouldn't use the sales of October (the sales of September would show the situation better), since many of these have Foil Cover, so its sales increased a good amount (Catwoman #4 increased a lot from the previous month).

= sigh! =

For the record, here's how the various Bat-books performed on Diamond's Top 300 list in September 2018:

NOTE: 1st through 3rd place were Return of Wolverine #1, Heroes in Crisis #1, and Doomsday Clock #7
* 4th = Batman #55 - 105,609 copies
* 5th = Batman Damned #1 - 95,483 copies
* 6th = Batman #54 - 94,685 copies
* 24th = Catwoman #3 - 55,068 copies
* 27th = Detective Comics #988 - 51,405 copies
* 28th = Detective Comics #989 - 50,479 copies
* 70th = Harley Quinn #50 - 30,059 copies
* 71st = Harley Quinn #49 - 29,293 copies
* 74th = Batgirl #27 - 28,843 copies
* 83rd = Batman: Kings of Fear #2 (of 6) - 27,137 copies
* 87th = Nightwing #48 - 25,733 copies
* 88th = Nightwing #49 - 25,475 copies
* 90th = Red Hood and the Outlaws #26 - 24,688 copies
<* 133rd = Archie Meets Batman '66 #3 (Archie Comics) - 16,397 copies>
* 135th = Batman Beyond #24 - 15,863 copies

[adrikito]

I am sorry for those who wanted that...

[DGraysonWorldsGreatestSpy]

King has other good stories that give him his status but under Batman his 100 issue run has been mostly filler with very little plot development. King writing a Bat Event crossover is troublesome since all he does is use them as Canon fodder

[kilderkin]

King has other good stories that give him his status but under Batman his 100 issue run has been mostly filler with very little plot development. King writing a Bat Event crossover is troublesome since all he does is use them as Canon fodder

the idea of king getting a hold of the other bat books really bothers me - cant stand him anymore

if there's a relaunch of the bat line due to a king story - ill be jumping off

issue 50 of batman, end of mr miracle and the current crisis means I have no interest in him anymore

I just don't trust him not to damage the characters he handles

imo

[skyvolt2000]

Selina's only marketable for as long as people are still holding on to hope King marries her and Bruce off eventually. If his run ends and that doesn't happen, her sales are going to slide

Catwoman is one of the FEW females in comics with at least 150 (if not 200) solo issues.

She was good enough to have her name used in an abortion of a movie baring her name.

She good enough to be linked to three different women when you think Catwoman.

She was Harley before Harley-she doesn't need Batman.

Just like most of his cast-who in the past got developed enough to stand alone and let Bruce be Bruce.

This is just the worst. It's bad enough we have to suffer because he increased the no of issues in his Bat run now this. What do the higher ups see in this guy that they give him so much power?

Because much like the mess going on with Black Panther-as long as the higher ups only CARE about X character(s)-they will ignore the damage being done to everyone else.

As long as Batman is fine-it doesn't matter how BADLY King has done with Duke or anyone else.

Duke, Catwoman, Dick and others are lucky the Bat Office has folks who want to write them.

[Konja7]

the idea of king getting a hold of the other bat books really bothers me - cant stand him anymore

if there's a relaunch of the bat line due to a king story - ill be jumping off

issue 50 of batman, end of mr miracle and the current crisis means I have no interest in him anymore

I just don't trust him not to damage the characters he handles

imo

Even if King has an event that will elaunch the Batman line, he wouldn't handle these comics. King would only work in Batman.

The handle of the other comics on Batman line falls on the editors and writers of the respective books.

[DGraysonWorldsGreatestSpy]

Editorial makes too much money off of Batman to be bothered with consistent or exciting paths for the Bat Family since the main market for Batman prefers him solo and Grimm this will trickle down

[MajorHoy]

Even if King has an event that will relaunch the Batman line, he wouldn't handle these comics. King would only work in Batman.

The handle of the other comics on Batman line falls on the editors and writers of the respective books.

I think the fear is that King will be in control of any changes those characters will be undergoing during any event. He may not be writing their stories after that, but he may initiate undesirable changes that others will have to then clean up after. (Whose bright idea was it to turn Dick Grayson into Ric Grayson? Did King decide to have Dick/Ric shot in the head, or did others first decide a change was desirable and King accommodated those plans in that issue of Batman?)

[Konja7]

I think the fear is that King will be in control of any changes those characters will be undergoing during any event. He may not be writing their stories after that, but he may initiate undesirable changes that others will have to then clean up after. (Whose bright idea was it to turn Dick Grayson into Ric Grayson? Did King decide to have Dick/Ric shot in the head, or did others first decide a change was desirable and King accommodated those plans in that issue of Batman?)

The shot was idea of King. However, he doesn't decide what would happen after this.

The idea of the amnesia was from DC. It seems King has another possible idea with Tim being Nightwing, while Dick learn everything again.

King has said on an interview that he offer the option to cure Dick with Zatanna magic if DC doesn't want this plot to affect Nightwing comic. However, DC decide continue with consequences for the shot.

[2nd line g]

Just read that it’s been canceled. Can’t find the link now.

[okiedokiewo]

Just read that it’s been canceled. Can’t find the link now.

Are you talking about this article from today? Because I think it's just a rewording of the same info (it cites Bleeding Cool), and still noting, "DC Comics does say that the series will be re-solicited, but it's unclear why it is being pulled and what changes may be made in the intervening months."

[2nd line g]

Are you talking about this article from today? Because I think it's just a rewording of the same info (it cites Bleeding Cool), and still noting, "DC Comics does say that the series will be re-solicited, but it's unclear why it is being pulled and what changes may be made in the intervening months."

Yes, that’s it. Thanks!