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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    It's almost like having protagonists who can mentally shut down crowds, magnetically lock up swaths of bodies, and insta-freeze anything that moves all by waving their arms around is terrible for writing both entertaining and believable conflicts.
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    Substandard writing tbh. It wouldn't be an issue if this were a group of weaker or inexperienced mutants/X-Men but between Storm and Polaris they should be able to devise a counterattack to effectively neutralize this Maddrox army. It's pathetic that Maddrox, no matter how many duplicates he's amassed, even poses a threat and it's strange that you have two incredibly strong mutants being astronomically nerfed in order to faciliate this story. They shouldn't be so easily "overwhelmed" like novices.

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    If people think that an endless army of clones with superpowers isn't enough to pose a threat to a group of like 5 characters, and they should be immediately dispatched with, it is a red flag, a blood-soaked crimson-dyed flag that is on fire, that your protagonists are too powerful.

    A million robot tigers with rabies who shoot lasers vs Storm

    "Well, 'Ro should be able to just fly up, say goddess three times, and fry them all with lightning bolts."

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    Storm can gently knock out crowds of people. With Psylocke and Polaris on hand too(they can also knock out groups of people and/or do containment forcefields), this Madri plot point is incredibly silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del torro View Post
    Seriously, how is a team of Storm, Psylocke and Polaris getting overwhelmed?

    I know I've been complaining about them holding back and it's getting tired, but seriously, why are they holding back and trying to hurt the dupes?

    We know from the teasers that X-23 will be slicing and gutting them in #3. Why nerf or job these powerful women, when you could write some more believable that would be hard for them to take down.
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    Or for that matter why Iceman didnt freeze the Dinosaurs or Jean Grey shut down their minds? It’s artificial tension because it doesnt ring true. The threats are a joke and the XMen are portrayed as ineffective is not the way to go. It just makes the story all the more eye roll inducing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    It's almost like having protagonists who can mentally shut down crowds, magnetically lock up swaths of bodies, and insta-freeze anything that moves all by waving their arms around is terrible for writing both entertaining and believable conflicts.
    Its shotty writing, pure and simple. Not that hard to write threats that are credible so the story doesn’t come off dumb or require readers to rationalize the threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
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    Storm can gently knock out crowds of people. With Psylocke and Polaris on hand too(they can also knock out groups of people and/or do containment forcefields), this Madri plot point is incredibly silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    If people think that an endless army of clones with superpowers isn't enough to pose a threat to a group of like 5 characters, and they should be immediately dispatched with, it is a red flag, a blood-soaked crimson-dyed flag that is on fire, that your protagonists are too powerful.

    A million robot tigers with rabies who shoot lasers vs Storm

    "Well, 'Ro should be able to just fly up, say goddess three times, and fry them all with lightning bolts."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    It's almost like having protagonists who can mentally shut down crowds, magnetically lock up swaths of bodies, and insta-freeze anything that moves all by waving their arms around is terrible for writing both entertaining and believable conflicts.
    yep, too powerful character = story hidrances

    Madroxes with power should be hard, but not that much hard like it is happening on uncanny right now
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    Maddrox is small fry and the fact that Storm et al are getting clobbered just exemplifies a gross misunderstanding of her team's capabilities and character proficiencies on part of the writers. These are five characters with extensive combat expertise and experience between them and it's a misrepresentation of their powers and strength that a bunch of arbitrarily powered clones are getting the drop on them so easily.

    You can't take the story or the fabricated and poorly explained stakes seriously when the characters are operating as if it's their first day on the job IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yogaflame View Post
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    Storm can gently knock out crowds of people. With Psylocke and Polaris on hand too(they can also knock out groups of people and/or do containment forcefields), this Madri plot point is incredibly silly.
    See, editors shouldn't approve stuff like this, because now it's hard to believe that a major superhero in a comic book can't spend some time just fighting some dudes, when just fighting dudes is action/adventure bread and butter. At least Thor would have to reveal his presence with a light show before doing stuff like this. But when a lead character can just stealthily sweep a group to the point that readers can't believe that a literal infinite army can't oppose them for a while, there is something fundamentally broken about the character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidMunroe View Post
    Maddrox is small fry and the fact that Storm et al are getting clobbered just exemplifies a gross misunderstanding of her team's capabilities and character proficiencies on part of the writers. These are five characters with extensive combat expertise and experience between them and it's a misrepresentation of their powers and strength that a bunch of arbitrarily powered clones are getting the drop on them so easily.

    You can't take the story or the fabricated and poorly explained stakes seriously when the characters are operating as if it's their first day on the job IMO.
    Multiple Man has extensive combat expertise and with the way his powers work he has way more experience than that whole team combine. What a lot of people here are unaware of, ignoring, or being willfully ignorant of is that Multiple Man sent out dupes all over the world. Some of which for years at a time, just to gain knowledge and skills. He has lived more lives and probably knows more stuff then any member of that can even hope to gain. But on top of all that there are THOUSANDS of him in that field with super powers no less.

    If anything Multiple Man is currently the OP one currently in the book. If he didn't have such a head start with the dupes being in play things might run differently but that is not the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    If people think that an endless army of clones with superpowers isn't enough to pose a threat to a group of like 5 characters, and they should be immediately dispatched with, it is a red flag, a blood-soaked crimson-dyed flag that is on fire, that your protagonists are too powerful.

    A million robot tigers with rabies who shoot lasers vs Storm

    "Well, 'Ro should be able to just fly up, say goddess three times, and fry them all with lightning bolts."
    The best part of this thread are the posts unironically saying what you said.

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    Le the characters fail, jeez.

    There is no reason a B-Level telekinetic shouldn't just crush all the enemies' heads at once in every issue, but we have to have comics.

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    Found this looking for that page in X-Factor where Jamie talks about the knowledge and skills he has gained.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nandes View Post
    That scene with the protester actually showcases one of the main problems I have with this series so far. It's all just... thrown out there with no context. Did we have any sign that the protests where happening in places other than the institute in issue #2? Why is the population so pissed off about this in comparison to other X-related tragedies in recent history? Was anyone still at the lab? Was there any casualities? etc.
    We've seen in the real world "crowds on demand" companies where you can pay to have a crowd protest political opponents or rival business competitors (there's a big lawsuit going on right now in the US because a businessman's private home was surrounded by protesters allegedly hired by his competitor). So in my opinion, it's actually very realistic to see anti-mutant protesters pop up out of nowhere wherever the X-men show up. Could be an interesting plot point.

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