Tony Stark, at the end of, Civil War

[TkizTwisTeD]

I just finished reading Marvel's Civil War. First of all, I can't believe Captain America surrendered the way he did, right as he was finally winning, but even worse. I find out in, Civil War Frontline #11 Tony Stark had controlled, Norman Osborne with nanites. To force him to kill an Atlanian. To boost Stark Industries stocks, and pressure hero's to register against a common enemy, the Atlanians. FYI I will now, and forever hate Tony Stark, and Reed Richards. Reed for the negitive zone prison, 42. My question is, does anyone ever find out what Stark did, besides Ben Ulrich, and the other reporter? If so which comic or comics, is he found out?

[Tony Stark]

I just finished reading Marvel's Civil War. First of all, I can't believe Captain America surrendered the way he did, right as he was finally winning, but even worse. I find out in, Civil War Frontline #11 Tony Stark had controlled, Norman Osborne with nanites. To force him to kill an Atlanian. To boost Stark Industries stocks, and pressure hero's to register against a common enemy, the Atlanians. FYI I will now, and forever hate Tony Stark, and Reed Richards. Reed for the negitive zone prison, 42. My question is, does anyone ever find out what Stark did, besides Ben Ulrich, and the other reporter? If so which comic or comics, is he found out?

Norman didn't kill the Atlantean. It was an old gun that was given to Osborn because it would barely hurt the Atlantean. Believe me this is not an excuse for what Tony did. Just clearing up something you said. As to your question. No one ever finds out that Tony did that. Only the 2 reporters know about it to this day.

[TkizTwisTeD]

That figures, Tony destroys the ideal of freedom, manages to win the war, and still comes out Smelling like roses, When he is found out. DEATH TO TONY STARK!!!

[Ichijinijisanji]

[Huntsman Spider]

A lot of writers, and Marvel as a whole, disregard Frontline for very good reason, namely that it's completely impossible to pass off Tony Stark/Iron Man as any kind of hero after that revelation at the end. Nobody wants to go and relitigate the original Civil War, but even semi-realistically speaking, a lot of the heroes, or "heroes," that fought each other should barely be on cooperating terms, much less be friends again, because too many lines were crossed by the pro-registration forces, who were written more as fascists enforcing corrupt and unjust laws simply because "it's the law," opportunists taking advantage of the schism in the superhero community to further enrich and empower themselves, or even both. Granted, Tony did ultimately pay a price for his actions insofar as chickens coming home to roost in a big way with World War Hulk and Secret Invasion, both of which stemmed from preemptive actions he took with the Illuminati that backfired horribly and resulted in him being kicked out of power and supplanted by an outright supervillain in Norman Osborn.

Osborn, of course, spared no expense or opportunity to use his misbegotten power to reward himself and his allies and punish those who would oppose him, which ultimately forced Tony to wipe his entire brain clean and then "reboot" it with a pre-Extremis backup. Then came Osborn's attempted Siege of Asgard, which forced everyone to come together to stop him and in the process bury the hatchet, except even if Osborn was a greater evil, in that he was acknowledged both in-universe and in real life as evil, that shouldn't have completely eclipsed the actions of Tony and those that sided with him during the original Civil War. Those actions resulted in blatant violations of the civil, constitutional, and human rights of fellow heroes, up to the point of an outright killing in the case of Bill Foster/Goliath, at the hands of a clone of Thor created by Tony with help from Reed Richards and Hank Pym (the latter of whom turned out to be a Skrull infiltrator) to enforce the SHRA. That shouldn't have been forgiven or brushed aside so easily or so quickly, and it was telling to me that when someone did try to hold Tony (technically the Avengers as a whole, but especially Tony) accountable for that whole atrocity that was the original Civil War, that someone was cast as a crazed villain.

[jackolover]

Yes, the arguments are there for accountability for wrong doing. A coroner would certainly hold everyone involved culpable, Super Heroes and government for starting the Civil War. I don’t think the government can be immune from what happened in Civil War. They created a situation that provoked a response from super humans. You don’t poke a bear with a stick.

I always felt there was no legitimate reason for the government to crack-down on super humans. The whole reason Civil War started was because Skrulls released super villains out in the community.

[jackolover]

I just finished reading Marvel's Civil War. First of all, I can't believe Captain America surrendered the way he did, right as he was finally winning, but even worse. I find out in, Civil War Frontline #11 Tony Stark had controlled, Norman Osborne with nanites. To force him to kill an Atlanian. To boost Stark Industries stocks, and pressure hero's to register against a common enemy, the Atlanians. FYI I will now, and forever hate Tony Stark, and Reed Richards. Reed for the negitive zone prison, 42. My question is, does anyone ever find out what Stark did, besides Ben Ulrich, and the other reporter? If so which comic or comics, is he found out?

It was a very poor showing for Tony Stark and it was hard for him to come back from that. One thing we do learn about Stark from Civil War is the depth of his commitment to Super Heroes. No matter how we criticise Tony Stark for his methods regarding Civil War, Stark uses his instincts and political experience to navigate the extremely strong storm that batters super heroes. I have come to the conclusion most of the super heroes are bad guys. I know. It’s a very negative conclusion. But I temper this understanding with the fact that the Marvel Universe doctrine holds that not only the fictional super heroes, but we all of us are bad guys, but we do good things for the right reasons. It’s this that lifts us up from self-recrimination. That makes us still feel we are the heroes of our story.

[jackolover]

I just finished reading Marvel's Civil War. First of all, I can't believe Captain America surrendered the way he did, right as he was finally winning, but even worse. I find out in, Civil War Frontline #11 Tony Stark had controlled, Norman Osborne with nanites. To force him to kill an Atlanian. To boost Stark Industries stocks, and pressure hero's to register against a common enemy, the Atlanians. FYI I will now, and forever hate Tony Stark, and Reed Richards. Reed for the negitive zone prison, 42. My question is, does anyone ever find out what Stark did, besides Ben Ulrich, and the other reporter? If so which comic or comics, is he found out?

Just getting back to Captain America’s surrender, Steve Rogers didn’t do anything wrong to cause Civil War. He was just an Avenger, doing the super hero thing when the New Warriors had a disastrous confrontation with super villains. (And as it turns out a corporation called Damage Control, had increased the powers of Nitro so they caused the Civil War, not the super humans). Steve Rogers was hounded into being defensive a stance he didn’t like to take, and that’s why Rogers surrendered, because Rogers was unable to act with his normal, self-assuredness, and he recognised this at the end.