Tony Stark, at the end of, Civil War

[Snoop Dogg]

The stock boosts are clarified as having been secretly routed to charities for firefighters, cops, and registered heroes, so morally Tony comes out pretty clean there. The conspiracy to raise Atlantean tensions is obviously greasy along with many of the other things he did to drive the agenda, but he knows it was bad yet did it because he believed it was necessary. And Sally and Ben don't disagree. There were tangible gains to be made by having things like Prison 42 and pushing registration hard to bring the new status quo quicker, but they required immense personal and ethical sacrifice from Tony. The end of his arc for the event is the realization that it still wasn't worth it, and the Front Line's background details just add more meat to that. But it's always going to be an event where obviously questionable events are misinterpreted because of what the actual game being played was, and that's the main book's fault for leaving these things to be properly fleshed out by Bendis and Jenkins.

Those poems at the end of most of the issues, though. Those can go.

[John Ossie]

LOL. If only eh? I wouldn't be surprised if we had a Civil War three within the next 5 to 10 years.

[Michael Watkins]

So much judgment being passed. You'd think that Tony beat up Janet Van Dyne or something.

[Huntsman Spider]

So much judgment being passed. You'd think that Tony beat up Janet Van Dyne or something.

They're dating in the current Iron Man series, if I recall right.

[Agent Z]

So much judgment being passed. You'd think that Tony beat up Janet Van Dyne or something.

So spousal abuse is the only crime worth condemning?

[Michael Watkins]

So spousal abuse is the only crime worth condemning?

i'm saying that profiting from war is a staple of America. ask Lindsey Graham.

[Agent Z]

i'm saying that profiting from war is a staple of America. ask Lindsey Graham.

Last I checked, Lindsey Graham wasn't well liked either.

This is like defending the Red Skull by saying racism is a staple of America.

[Knives]

Manipulating information, news and people's emotions has always been a key factor in winning a war. George W. Bush and USA convinced everyone that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction to justify the war compared to this what Stark did is child's play .

[Michael Watkins]

Last I checked, Lindsey Graham wasn't well liked either.

This is like defending the Red Skull by saying racism is a staple of America.

it would be if the skull or graham had Stark's history of saving the friggin world. Stark's done enough good to make up for some bad writing. and it's not like Steve Rogers didn't just stand there while the Punisher murdered his costumed villain allies. everyone was compromised in this war.

[Agent Z]

it would be if the skull or graham had Stark's history of saving the friggin world. Stark's done enough good to make up for some bad writing.

So has Hank Pym but I don't see you cutting him any slack.

and it's not like Steve Rogers didn't just stand there while the Punisher murdered his costumed villain allies. everyone was compromised in this war.

Steve beat up the Punisher after he killed those guys and threw him out of the base. He didn't want Frank on his side in the first place and the minute he crossed a line he was out. He also turned himself in to stand trial for his crimes something Tony never did.

[Huntsman Spider]

Last I checked, Lindsey Graham wasn't well liked either.

This is like defending the Red Skull by saying racism is a staple of America.

Hmm, come to think of it, wasn't one of the Red Skull's big plots in the early 2000s Avengers comics infiltrating and subverting an American presidential administration because he believed America would be a perfect staging ground for a new fascist regime, specifically comparing the sociopolitical/cultural conditions and atmosphere at the time to 1930s Germany?

[Tony Stark]

Hmm, come to think of it, wasn't one of the Red Skull's big plots in the early 2000s Avengers comics infiltrating and subverting an American presidential administration because he believed America would be a perfect staging ground for a new fascist regime, specifically comparing the sociopolitical/cultural conditions and atmosphere at the time to 1930s Germany?

Yes it was. The storyline is called Red Zone and was very good. Written by Geoff Johns and drawn Oliver Coipel.

[Tony Stark]

it would be if the skull or graham had Stark's history of saving the friggin world. Stark's done enough good to make up for some bad writing. and it's not like Steve Rogers didn't just stand there while the Punisher murdered his costumed villain allies. everyone was compromised in this war.

Steve also teamed up with The Kingpin against the Registration.

[Snoop Dogg]

Tony did not profit from Civil War. It only cost him.

[Huntsman Spider]

Yes it was. The storyline is called Red Zone and was very good. Written by Geoff Johns and drawn Oliver Coipel.

Thanks. I should find that one sometime. The scary thing is how prescient it sounds in some ways.

Steve also teamed up with The Kingpin against the Registration.

Oh, yeah? Didn't Kingpin hire a sniper to kill Spider-Man for all the times Spider-Man got in his way, and Aunt May ended up shot instead? If that's the case, then it's probably a good thing Steve was "dead" at the time, because as angry as Peter was at Tony for convincing him to unmask in public in the first place, I imagine he'd feel extra-betrayed by Steve working with the guy who ordered a hit on him and got his Aunt May shot (nearly) dead.

Tony did not profit from Civil War. It only cost him.

Like the respect and trust of most of his fellow superheroes?