Lizard vs. X-men & Bat Family

[The Arbiter]

Curt Connors as Lizard in 2 seperate scenarios.

Scenario 1 vs:

Beast
Wolverine
Gambit

Scenario 2 vs:

Batman
Nightwing
Cass Cain
Robin

Fights take place in abandoned NYC at night. They start 2 kilometers away from each other and dont know where the opposition is initially.

616 and Post Crisis

[The Chou Lives]

Does Lizard have the telepathy via jacking Reptile part of the brain? Makes it a stomp if so.

Otherwise this will be a interesting match. As both opponent teams work well on teams, X Men May win more if they stay close, as Lizard cannot stealth on Logan.

As for Bat Family, can play their cards right and get a few wins ( but blood lusted Lizard at right moment, would WRECK the bat clan team. Being stronger, faster, tougher, healing factor,!and so forth vs them.)

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Oof. Scenario favors the faster stronger Lizard against the X-men.

[The Chou Lives]

Oof. Scenario favors the faster stronger Lizard against the X-men.

Yeah only reason I do not say this is:

Gambit can super charge stuff prior to encounter. Lizard is fast and tough but well the cannon can make booms and set up more.

Beast, well Hank I think your awesome but your the dead weight.

Logan, well his weapons can injure Curt, the issue is he is not going to touch him. But his senses will detect Curt just as Lizard with his senses detect them, so Gambit can do a perimeter and making stuff explosive.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Yeah only reason I do not say this is:

Gambit can super charge stuff prior to encounter. Lizard is fast and tough but well the cannon can make booms and set up more.

Beast, well Hank I think your awesome but your the dead weight.

Logan, well his weapons can injure Curt, the issue is he is not going to touch him. But his senses will detect Curt just as Lizard with his senses detect them, so Gambit can do a perimeter and making stuff explosive.

I guess my question is, can't the Lizard just bring down buildings on top of them ? He's strong enough to rip apart foundational pillars pretty easy.

[The Chou Lives]

He is smart enough to do that. The issue I am having is the distance apart gives time and unpredictable patterns of the city. Because yeah many many things can happen as just them in city.

[The Drunkard Kid]

You know, I'm kind of interested in Curt Conners and Hank McCoy sitting down and having a chat about biochemistry and self-experimentation.

I'm also wondering if the X-Men's standard anti-telepath training (and the psychic shielding Xavier installed in Logan) would give the X-Men some degree of resistance to the AOE lizard brain effect.

[The Chou Lives]

You know, I'm kind of interested in Curt Conners and Hank McCoy sitting down and having a chat about biochemistry and self-experimentation.

I'm also wondering if the X-Men's standard anti-telepath training (and the psychic shielding Xavier installed in Logan) would give the X-Men some degree of resistance to the AOE lizard brain effect.

Oh I agree. Hank and Curt should have a talk.

The lizard thing reminds me that f Aqua Man. Because instead of sheer telepathic invasion involving higher thought tampering, it’s a legit seizure of control by tapping into part of the brain that has no such higher function, it’s the part of the brain that keeps body alive and automated basically.

Unless you have such mental control can alter course of heart beats, lungs working and chemical reactions ( Like Ringer style self induced adrenaline rush.)

Well baring that biofeedback stuff, should be able to tap that part of brain just fine.

[Beadle]

With a 2km gap, there’s plenty of time for the Bat guys to prep their grenades etc and Cass (at least) should have enough time to react when he first appears to blow him the hell up.

Similarly, Gambit can be ready with the blam-blam, and Logan will pick up his scent as soon as he’s close enough, so the Cajun knows where to boom.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

With a 2km gap, there’s plenty of time for the Bat guys to prep their grenades etc and Cass (at least) should have enough time to react when he first appears to blow him the hell up.

Similarly, Gambit can be ready with the blam-blam, and Logan will pick up his scent as soon as he’s close enough, so the Cajun knows where to boom.

See.

It's a stomping ground Curt knows well, and as fast as he's moving, he'll be doing so in a few seconds at worst. I really don't see them having enough time to adequately prep for his arrival.

[Beadle]

See.

It's a stomping ground Curt knows well, and as fast as he's moving, he'll be doing so in a few seconds at worst. I really don't see them having enough time to adequately prep for his arrival.

When their prep consists of “remove grenade from belt and prepare to throw”, sure they do.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

When their prep consists of “remove grenade from belt and prepare to throw”, sure they do.

More talking about Gambit and Co.

I'm sure Batman has some kind of Anti-Lizard Man Grenade in that belt of his.

[Sharpandpointies]

I'm not terribly sanguine about thrown grenades doing sufficient damage or even hitting the Lizard, even with Cass tossing them.

The Lizard doesn't have bullet-time feats. What the Lizard has is the rare situation where the Lizard explicitly pushes a superfast character to the max, speedwise, rather than just 'landing hits on them' (ie possible PIS).

That's enough for Connors to be faster than Cass, for me.

If he's faster than Cass...tough enough to eat hits from Peter...I'm really iffy on however many bat-grenades Cass can throw doing much of anything to him before he's in her face. Granted, the Batgroup can have split up -- they don't need to stay in a group -- and be tossing grenades themselves once Connors engages Cass, but their own stuff might hurt Cass, and there's nothing stopping the Lizard from breaking away and going after THEM.

They might manage something here, but I'd give a majority to the Lizard.