Will Richard Rider Be Wiped Over And Forgotten, Like Mar-Vell?

[KOSLOX]

Yes.



Seriously though, what's the worst thing that would happen? Some Internet comment sections go for the obvious, low-brow and stupid joke? Who gives a damn? It's not going to generate enough buzz to impact the movie, and even if it did this is Marvel; they have so much goodwill built up they can basically do whatever the hell they want and people will eat it up.

Honestly, I'd bet they just do what they did with Spider-Man and basically make it an amalgamation of Sam and Rich.

Especially since Sony's Spider-Verse looks like it's going to take off due to Venom being successful. They probably will use Pete in the future meaning Marvel will want a replacement teen character. So you'll see Sam but blended with a lot of Rich's character elements.

[Tofali]

Do I really need to explain the difference between Dick Grayson and Dick Rider?

I can't believe you guys think the only problem is the name Dick, rather than the fact that Nova looks like a d**do and his name is easily interpreted as Dick Rider.

Posters are just trying Hard making a case for Dick Rider without considering a kid searching for a Disney character and then coming across porn and every product related to the industry. There's no way Feige will allow this character to see the light of day unless he changes his name.

[Killerbee911]

I disagree with is.

The comics do have alot diversity,dc,image,marvel,idw,lion forge etc..
When it comes to cartoons,games and live action tv they are ahead of comicbooks movies of course.
Of course american comicbooks movies like marvel and dc do have diversity but not like the comics,cartoons,games and live action shows.

Yes you are right the big 2 isn't that diverse but comics in general has come along way but they aren't making Noble, Faith or Accel movies yet and the industry doesn't like taking risk. It take major studios making black panther,wonder woman or crazy rich Asians for them go hmmmm there is audience

It's very true that someone's personal preference shouldn't color their perceptions. But to that end, Sam doesn't have any real advantage over Richard. Nothing about either of their stories says "turn me into a movie!" more than the other.

Sam discovering his father's helmet and and taking that mantle up is a good movie. Richard surviving the destruction of Xanadar and being the only space cop left in space? That's a good movie too. It's just a different kind of movie. Sam's first arc would make a decent film. Richard's first post-Annihilation arc would too. I think Richard has the more interesting setting and toys (Worldmind!), while Sam has the more interesting supporting cast.

Sam would basically be "Spider-Man in space" while Richard would basically be "Captain America as the last soldier alive in space." Which one will stand out more in the MCU? Marvel Studios doesn't have a lot of teenaged heroes, but it also doesn't have a lot of cosmic stuff either, and their one big cosmic IP only has one movie left, assuming GotG-3 gets made at all. Of course, there's Captain Marvel too, but it's hard to say whether that's going to be a cosmic franchise or not. Carol's been in space but that doesn't mean her movie/s are going to stay there. Time will tell whether she stays in the stars or stays home. If the MCU does use Carol as a cosmic property, then I think that increases the odds of them using Sam if/when they make a Nova film, but we don't know what their plans for Carol are yet, beyond her coming home to slap Thanos around.

Yeah I already said basically this Nova as franchise isn't amazing both of them are flawed, I just think Sam is better base to start with but Nova movie franchise should merge to the concepts together either use Richard Ryder racebend and add some of the cockiness from Sam or start with Sam origin as the first movie, then post Annihilation stuff Rich stuff as the base for other movies. I would go even step further neither "name" is required and they can go with all new person putting together a composite best traits and stories from the franchise. I think a good franchise is there with Nova if you take Sam origin, personality and background,Black Nova stuff, Rich Ryder later arcs and enemies pick up along the way.

[Holt]

Believe it when I see it.

Sure.

Well right now the best character is still Rich. His stories thus far is by far better than the Sam’s run. Not just Annihilation stuff. At least of what I have read of it this far.

That really doesn't matter when it comes to film adaptations. If you'd polled comic fans about wanting a Carol Danvers Captain Marvel movie you probably would've got a significant amount of "Nah," especially after the character assassination during Civl War II. Spend any time on this very forum and you'll find a lot of hate for the character. Didn't stop Marvel from making the movie about her. If Marvel announced a Nova film with Sam Alexander tomorrow, you'd have a lot of whining that would ultimately amount to nothing, since Disney and Marvel think bigger than just comic fans.

[KOSLOX]

I think a good franchise is there with Nova if you take Sam origin, personality and background,Black Nova stuff, Rich Ryder later arcs and enemies pick up along the way.

Yep. It's not going to please fans of Rich but I see this as the way they go. I wouldn't even be surprised if they give Sam a brother named Robbie, or change his sisters name to Roberta so they can use that as an Easter Egg.

[DragonsChi]

Do I really need to explain the difference between Dick Grayson and Dick Rider?

I can't believe you guys think the only problem is the name Dick, rather than the fact that Nova looks like a d**do and his name is easily interpreted as Dick Rider.

In truth this type of thinking is and probably will be more of a reflection on those individuals then it would be on Nova as a character or Marvel as a whole.

[KOSLOX]

In truth this type of thinking is and probably will be more of a reflection on those individuals then it would be on Nova as a character or Marvel as a whole.

That's true. But we live in the age of Google. That's a lot of instant hassle and "internet issues" (as Rick Santorum put it) that Disney probably won't want to deal with when they have another option.

It's not so much of an issue now, but if you throw $150+ Million behind the character you don't want your marketing push getting screwed up by people needing to put a "safe search" filter on to see your product.

[Immorta]

I wanted to cry

[Ken Ashcroft]

In truth this type of thinking is and probably will be more of a reflection on those individuals then it would be on Nova as a character or Marvel as a whole.

I agree. Grayson has always being known and called Dick in the comics and TV/film but with Nova, it’s always being Richard or Rich/Richie.

[Ken Ashcroft]

As for choosing to use Sam over Rich in the MCU, while I would definitely prefer that they use the original as the main Nova character it wouldn’t bother me quite as much as their decision to use Scott Lang and Hope Van Dyne as Ant Man and the Wasp rather than Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne.

[Cmbmool]

I for one am glad that Sam is depowered as I never liked his character to begin with and maybe this is the start of rebuilding him into a better legacy character. Maybe.

Besides having Rich back is a good thing considering how long he has been gone. Right ? Also centering a film on Rich would make him the PETER PARKER WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN in the MCU.

[DragonsChi]

That's true. But we live in the age of Google. That's a lot of instant hassle and "internet issues" (as Rick Santorum put it) that Disney probably won't want to deal with when they have another option.

It's not so much of an issue now, but if you throw $150+ Million behind the character you don't want your marketing push getting screwed up by people needing to put a "safe search" filter on to see your product.

Things Fall Apart I'm not sure what world your living in or why you are trying so hard on this but Richard Rider as a search term already has google/search engine dominance as Nova from Marvel comics. For any adult company to even take that spot on a search engine they would have to have multiple years worth of content and millions of dollars in ad spend. And that is only after they get around google's already in place adult filters. (Adult terms have to have an almost global dominance to rank on the front page on its own without another pornographic terms added to it)

It's not going to be a issue. Probably be best to move away from this part of the discussion before it gets to risky and a Mod chimes in.

[phantom1592]

But who will be the Nova to headline the film? I honestly would be extremely disappointed if Richard is treated in the same manner that Mar-Vell appears to be treated. These original Nova stories have truly captured my heart but it sorta seems as if Sam is getting the most focus for the past 6-7 years. I tried a couple Sam issues but for the most part they feel hollow in comparison to what has been written with Richard.

Anyway, the point of this thread is to discuss what do you think will happen with Richard and to a degree Sam when it comes time for a Nova movie.

Do you think the MCU will go with Richard or do you think they will go with Sam?

If they go with Sam do you think they will transplant the things they like about Richard on to Sam, similar to what seems to be going on with Carol and Mar-Vell?

The biggest problem is that Mar-Vell was never THAT popular. His entire run consisted of 69 issues spread out over 10 years. They didn't publish him at all in 1971 and most of '72... then when they brought him back he only published every other month. He was really only published at all to keep the trademark alive, which they then did with the horde of pretenders after him.

Rich on the other hand... He's got a serious fan following. Especially since Annihilation, but every time Sam shows up anywhere people are screaming for Rich to come back. They may STILL go with Sam for diversity sake, but it's not as guaranteed as it was with Mar-vell. His main purpose has always been a stepping stone to get to other more popular characters... even though he that red/blue costume is one of my all time favorite costumes everywhere... I never pictured him getting in the movie.

[Ken Ashcroft]

They may STILL go with Sam for diversity sake, but it's not as guaranteed as it was with Mar-vell.

Diversity sake? I admit I don’t know much about Sam apart from an occasional browse through the Avengers book when he was a member but what makes him diverse from Richie apart from him being a young teenager?

[phantom1592]

Diversity sake? I admit I don’t know much about Sam apart from an occasional browse through the Avengers book when he was a member but what makes him diverse from Richie apart from him being a young teenager?

He was Latino. Or at least his mother was. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the powers that be jumped on that and it gave him an edge over Rich when it came to promotion.