Uncanny X-Men #4 (spoilers/discussion)

[PrezValentine]

My guess is that the tratior is working for Dark Beast. Maybe one of the kids that went down to the sewers.

If anything, an eventual traitor would be working for the person that is trying to kill Dark Beast and killed Sugar Man

[greyspawn]

Only two of them went down: Anole and Armor, where they got attacked by Dark Beast. I doubt they'd work for the guy they just got assaulted by.

But didn't inject one of them?

[Harpsikord]

It'd make too much sense for Armor to be a traitor.

Sorry Anole.

[Tycon]

But didn't inject one of them?

He pierced Hisako's armor and it kind of went away. But considering she still manages to use it later in the very next story, whatever happened was temporary. Plus, this happens after Bishop finds the deceased Sugar Man, so whoever was working against Lucas couldn't have been the same one(s) who were busy elsewhere.

[butterflykyss]

I would argue what she actually found was the Blackbird he was in, as it was, "... cutting through the atmosphere." That's how I read it. This would even line up with the Vindicator instance, now that I think about it, taking into account his powers are derived from the mechanical/technological suit he wears.

THIS! It really is just that simple. Unlike Jean & Psylocke, say, Polaris & Storm's powers are not the same. Therefore it's highly likely, and safe to assume I would say, that their 'energy sights' are not either.



I think she was. 'Cause yes, she can, she has:

[IMG]http://i63.tinypic.com/6z8qkh.jpg[/I]

... and there is.

When it comes to identifying people via their EM signatures alone, can the same be said for Storm?

Also, something else I thought of to consider, as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse:_The_Twelve


... alluding to what distinguishes them, and sets them apart. Again, similarities =/= the same, there's a difference.

I agree with you about the blackbird. The point of me posting that scan was to disprove this argument that she has to be in the presence of the energies/forces she wields.

To your point about Vindicator, his suit generates electromagnetic energy. That is the energy that she was able to see when she trailed him.

Lastly, though there are similarities Polaris' power is different from Ororo. Where Polaris can perceive the world around her as patterns of electromagnetic energy, Ororo sees the natural world as patterns of energies and forces. That means the means the energies that she can see not only includes EM energies (electrical and magnetic) but also other forms of forces/energies, such as thermal, radiation, pressure gradients, etc. Thus, Ororo's perception goes way beyond what Polaris can see.





And the Vindicator scan shows she can find people by their energy signatures.

*waits for scans of Storm not needing glasses to see God*

you're welcome

[Heroine Addict]

... Ororo's perception goes way beyond what Polaris can see. ...

And the Vindicator scan shows she can find people by their energy signatures. ...

Being an E.M. specialist, as it were, what Polaris can see she can see better than Storm. She's more fine-tuned to its specifics.

Nah, it's no different than with the Blackbird, IMO. His suit disrupted the atmosphere, and just the lingering (distinctive=)E.M energy in & of itself that was generated, is what she struggled to follow. Not the signature magnetic field of James Hudson himself.

[Heroine Addict]

It would be a horribly controversial choice that wouldn't add anything likeable to the character while also erasing all her development to just "I hate being a mutant uwu where's that damn cure." For those exact reasons, I can totally see them doing that. Or the alternative, having Oya just sit unconscious on the table for the entire event, which I could also see them doing.

Needless to say, not a fan of either possibility, so they better not. Making her a traitor or benching her permanently, after barely a cameo appearance, would be beyond disappointing.

My first thoughts went to Legion and/or MadroX, as the guilty party. But they seem too obvious, so IDK.

[greyspawn]

Needless to say, not a fan of either possibility, so they better not. Making her a traitor or benching her permanently, after barely a cameo appearance, would be beyond disappointing.

My first thoughts went to Legion and/or MadroX, as the guilty party. But they seem too obvious, so IDK.

Maybe I'm imagining this but I thought they said the tratior was going to be an X-men that is not really a mutant.

[Heroine Addict]

Maybe I'm imagining this but I thought they said the tratior was going to be an X-men that is not really a mutant.

Ya know, that sounds kinda familiar. If true, DAMN, the mystery only deepens. Who could possibly qualify for such a distinction, as not really being a Mutant? I'm at a loss in the immediate, and this may require some research, now.

[Snoop Dogg]

Maybe the liar liar mansion on fire mutant is the same one who was supposed to be a Hydra agent.

[butterflykyss]

Being an E.M. specialist, as it were, what Polaris can see she can see better than Storm. She's more fine-tuned to its specifics.

Nah, it's no different than with the Blackbird, IMO. His suit disrupted the atmosphere, and just the lingering (distinctive=)E.M energy in & of itself that was generated, is what she struggled to follow. Not the signature magnetic field of James Hudson himself.

1. I havent seen anything from canon that would indicate she sees EM differently than Ororo, especially not from this issue of Uncanny. She said every person disturbs the em as they move through it, magneto would just disturb it on a larger scale. So considering she can sense specific signatures thats not how she described it in uncanny.

2. the scan with vindicator stated she was following his energy trail, which is what his suit generated. also read the scan again from uncanny it doesnt say she sensed his em. it says she saw the tidal wave as he moved through it. that's completely different.

[lurkerforyears]

on the traitor?

do any of you remember the big reveal of the Return of Wolverine comic featuring Tony Stark and the New Avengers friends of Logan?
It was that one of the X-Men isn't actually a mutant
That could be the traitor

(obviously some xmen aren't mutants, like Danger or Ink or before the paternity retcon Longshot)

The most likely thing is since it's a big reveal, it refers to a big xmen. But I wonder if someone at the editorial decided to do something about Ernst, who isn't a mutant, she is the brainwiped mummudrai of Cassandra Nova in the synthetic body of a shi ar imperial guard soldier. As recent as Spiderman and the X-Men, Sinister confirmed Ernst isnt like a normal mutant.

[lurkerforyears]

Have you actually read the issue??? You are taking that scan completely out of context. She couldnt find him because the energy signal was faint (as indicated by the story and not the scan you are taking out of context). it has nothing to do with him being a scrub or it not being natural to her.






Again, you clearly havent read the story if you are concluding Shadow King helped her find Cyclops because no where was that ever said. Please provide scans where it says that.
Nevertheless your rationale doesnt make any sense. And I can most certainly use the scans. Your knowledge or lack thereof doesnt negate it is an ability she has shown throughout her history. I'm not about to quote every issue it has been state that she sees the world around her as patterns of energy or each instance in which her powers have allowed her to perceive/sense things on a global scale. Especially considering how grossly you have take each scan I've provided out of context.



the point of that scan was to show she has an awareness on a global level which contradicts your point you made up about her having to be in the presence of the energy in order to perceive it as energy.



is it bad writing because of your explanation or is it you dont have a full understanding of how her powers work? if her powers were based on weather alone she would never be able to utilize her powers in space, which she has been able to do on numerous occasions (please note her seeing the planet and the empty space as patterns of energy):





and storm is immune to the elements which would include radiation. we saw an example of this where storm was able to enter an area saturated with radiation where even Phoenix required a protective suit:






I'm sure this is true of Polaris too. doesn't mean she doesnt possess those abilities.




no you saw the scan and made up stuff that wasnt there, remember the whole part about in the presence? I'm still waiting on the scan where that was stated.

i know storm cant do it all nor did I ever say that she could; however, saying she perceives em energy, which she has done before in the past as well as controlled it, does not mean that I believe such a thing. I think this issue here is that you want to limit her to levels below her actual showings in favor of Polaris even with evidence that contradict your points. therefore, I'm done here it's pretty clear you are not well versed on the history of the character.

I am 99% sure Jean in that same comic calls Thunderbird III (Neal Sahara or something like that) "the only xmen completely immune to radiation" with pretty much those words, that is why he was in that comic, which ended up being a bit weird, because it's a classic issue and that failed character managed to be in it.

[Uncanny X-Man]

on the traitor?

do any of you remember the big reveal of the Return of Wolverine comic featuring Tony Stark and the New Avengers friends of Logan?
It was that one of the X-Men isn't actually a mutant
That could be the traitor

(obviously some xmen aren't mutants, like Danger or Ink or before the paternity retcon Longshot)

The most likely thing is since it's a big reveal, it refers to a big xmen. But I wonder if someone at the editorial decided to do something about Ernst, who isn't a mutant, she is the brainwiped mummudrai of Cassandra Nova in the synthetic body of a shi ar imperial guard soldier. As recent as Spiderman and the X-Men, Sinister confirmed Ernst isnt like a normal mutant.

Why has Ryuk from Death Note dressed up as Mr Sinister and strapped Spider-Man to that table?

[Snoop Dogg]

Why has Ryuk from Death Note dressed up as Mr Sinister and strapped Spider-Man to that table?

Stop trying to make Mister Sinister seem cool. It's impossible.