Uncanny X-Men #4 (spoilers/discussion)

[Graconius]

Luckily we have Jean receiving premonitions, ignoring them and then blaming Legion for it because he's crazy.

She acknowledge those visions and then dismiss him as crazy, which is worse

[Del torro]

Which book? If they don't have one. This is the first time in years that they have some spotlight, for f@# shake.

Glob was being used in extraordinary last year and old Man Logan this year, he keeps poppig
Armor was on the Xmen gold team
Anole was also in extraordinary X-men
Oya we on the all new X-men team with the O5

Rockslide and pixie have had to lest facetime, yet they're not the ones complaining. They should just do what the O5 or the Cuckoos did. Leave and start their own team

[Sapfiryt]

Was it explained how Jubilee and Northstar recovered from their serious injuries last issue?

They didn't explain it. They didnt explain why Madrox hasnt wounds on his face.
Such a feeling that this issue wrote only one writers.

[Del torro]

She acknowledge those visions and then dismiss him as crazy, which is worse

How is a vision of an army of Madri crying out "where is kitty pryde", supposed to tell them that Nate grey has kidnapped kitty and apocalypse, and will also be going after a senator, all in a plot to bring hell on earth in his attempts to create paradise, but not to worry because Legion has a plan to fix it.

Wow. Seriously, how was that vision supposed to give her that info?

That's the problem it Legion. He. Is. INSANE.

He couldn't walk up to he X-men and explain his plan like any sane person. Instead he sent a vague vision then torture another Xman and created an army.

[Gray Lensman]

She acknowledge those visions and then dismiss him as crazy, which is worse

I don't think Jean has any experience with Legion except as being crazy. The saner version only showed up after she was dead, then retconned himself out of everyone's memory (or was that existence?)

[Johnrevenge]

Glob was being used in extraordinary last year and old Man Logan this year, he keeps poppig
Armor was on the Xmen gold team
Anole was also in extraordinary X-men
Oya we on the all new X-men team with the O5

Rockslide and pixie have had to lest facetime, yet they're not the ones complaining. They should just do what the O5 or the Cuckoos did. Leave and start their own team

Glob should stop being pushed as there are more characters that deserve the spotlight more than him.
Armor and Anole practically didn't do anything it's like they were furniture in those series, so that doesn't count at all.
And All-new X-men was like two or three years ago, so hence my point that the New X-men didn't get spotlight in years.
The kids didn't get no spotlight at all unless they were Glob Herman.

[FeniSam]

So, this book was a mess, IMO. How many times are the X-Men going to be split into groups to deal with (*gasp*) a multitude of non-powered humans/dinosaurs and be completely ineffective and "overwhelmed"? The powered Madroxes made sense, but this issue it was just ridiculous. And I'm not asking for FEATZ, just basic competence. Are you really trying to tell me that a team with a telepath, a magnetism manipulator and a Storm can't contain two hostile crowds in less than 3 panels?

This book has too big a cast for the plot it's trying to tell and the characters end up being either infuriatingly incompetent in situations they should be totally capable of handling quickly, or just wildly OOC (see: quippy Laura). Also, Hisako, STOP IT. WE GET IT, you're the teen who feels underappreciated and needs to make it a point every single scene she's in (even though she's the worst NXM character to voice that complaint) and will clearly screw things up further by listening to Legion, but yeah, dial it down a few million notches.

The writers clearly had a rigid outline of what needed to happen in this story and just squeezed characters in it without much thought. Too rushed to make the weekly schedule, and it shows.

[Graconius]

How is a vision of an army of Madri crying out "where is kitty pryde", supposed to tell them that Nate grey has kidnapped kitty and apocalypse, and will also be going after a senator, all in a plot to bring hell on earth in his attempts to create paradise, but not to worry because Legion has a plan to fix it.

Wow. Seriously, how was that vision supposed to give her that info?

That's the problem it Legion. He. Is. INSANE.

He couldn't walk up to he X-men and explain his plan like any sane person. Instead he sent a vague vision then torture another Xman and created an army.

Legion is insane alright, and should be treated with care. But the comment I was trying to make there, is that they incorporated visions of the future, without including blindfold, a precog mutant with previous connection to Legion... And later that Jean recognize that Legion is genuinely having sight of events to come, but quickly dismiss further inquiry under the excuse that he is insane. It will not tell them where is Nate, but may shed light what is causing all the ruckus.

[Havok83]

So, this book was a mess, IMO. How many times are the X-Men going to be split into groups to deal with (*gasp*) a multitude of non-powered humans/dinosaurs and be completely ineffective and "overwhelmed"? The powered Madroxes made sense, but this issue it was just ridiculous. And I'm not asking for FEATZ, just basic competence. Are you really trying to tell me that a team with a telepath, a magnetism manipulator and a Storm can't contain two hostile crowds in less than 3 panels?

This book has too big a cast for the plot it's trying to tell and the characters end up being either infuriatingly incompetent in situations they should be totally capable of handling quickly, or just wildly OOC (see: quippy Laura). Also, Hisako, STOP IT. WE GET IT, you're the teen who feels underappreciated and needs to make it a point every single scene she's in (even though she's the worst NXM character to voice that complaint) and will clearly screw things up further by listening to Legion, but yeah, dial it down a few million notches.

The writers clearly had a rigid outline of what needed to happen in this story and just squeezed characters in it without much thought. Too rushed to make the weekly schedule, and it shows.

You are right in that its the same rinse and repeat cycle. I think this story might read better in a trade but week to week its the same thing with little movement despite the accelerated storyteling schedule

[Ambaryerno]

Blindfold the girl that precog the previous Age of X, that was trapped by Legion in said event and that later became David's love interest and the only person on earth with memories of him, that also can predict the future that Legion is warning about is, nowhere to be seen in this story.

Glob is there thought.

But see that would involve actually considering continuity, and that just gets in the way of plots like these.

[Ambaryerno]

They didn't explain it. They didnt explain why Madrox hasnt wounds on his face.
Such a feeling that this issue wrote only one writers.

Those are stories yet to be told.

Seriously, I think that's turning into my next "In this new age of storytelling..." meme.

[Tycon]

Hate to keep bringing up Spurrier, but he definitely wrote Legion with more taste (Mike Carey also does). But instead, we're getting a one-note "im so kooky and crazy lol randommmm speakingrealfast" version of him.

[gifted]

I'm really curious to see how Legion and Madrox end up in Disassembled. At least from what we know, they're not involved in Age of X-Man (they could be and Marvel just doesn't want to spoil it). If so, they may be in UXM with Scott and Logan?

[FeniSam]

You are right in that its the same rinse and repeat cycle. I think this story might read better in a trade but week to week its the same thing with little movement despite the accelerated storyteling schedule

It just seems like they threw the 10-WEEK EPIC EVENT!!! thing out there without considering how to actually make the story interesting or lack glaring plot holes.

I mean, as Graconius pointed out, they made it a point to have Legion sharing a precog vision with Jean and they proceed to simply dismiss him, instead of putting him to sleep and scanning his head for any further future info, or something. Also pointed out by Graconius and others: the existence of an X character with precognitive powers AND a relationship with Legion that could have served as a Tragic Cassandra Seer Character in a story with heavy religious parallels.

Yeah, this is like a grad student rushing a paper for a subject they know they passed. Except this needed to be awesome and bring back the X-Men in a big way. I'm very disappointed it's turning out like this.

[Gray Lensman]

But see that would involve actually considering continuity, and that just gets in the way of plots like these.

See also: Rachel Summers not being at the forefront for any story involving the Phoenix Force.