Special Wonder Woman guest star in Final Crisis #3

[brettc1]

That's right, Tom Tresser aka Nemesis is back!

Mind you, if he is dead I am going to be sooooooooooo [expletive deleted]!

[Last Son of Krypton]

I think you mean Heroes in Crisis, not Final Crisis.

[Dr. Poison]

That's right, Tom Tresser aka Nemesis is back!

Mind you, if he is dead I am going to be sooooooooooo [expletive deleted]!

That will make 2 of us!

[Sacred Knight]

The characters shown in those interview panels except Booster, Harley, and the Trinity are dead. So the high likelihood is he's a victim...unless a growing theory comes to pass that considering his master of disguise thing he might be the/one of the killer(s).

So he's either dead or will pull a heel turn if not.

[brettc1]

I think you mean Heroes in Crisis, not Final Crisis.

True. It's far too much to hope that this is the final crisis

[brettc1]

The characters shown in those interview panels except Booster, Harley, and the Trinity are dead. So the high likelihood is he's a victim...unless a growing theory comes to pass that considering his master of disguise thing he might be the/one of the killer(s).

So he's either dead or will pull a heel turn if not.

Poison Ivy is on that page, and no way I believe she's dead.

I could see Tom going dark and putting down the villains. The heroes, not so much.

What I'm wondering is - since #3 shows Diana killing Max [which is from the volume 2 and 3 continuity] how that affects the stories with Nemesis during the volume 3 [pre-52] run.

[Sacred Knight]

Ivy died, its been confirmed. I mean, she's going to come back. One she's a popular Bat-character, two, King did some set up with her as a reformed villain in the Batman title that I think is going to extend beyond just a sad death in this story. For my money I'm thinking the Green is going to bring her back. But for now she died.

We'll see what happens with Tom. For the record I was being a little tongue in cheek with my stauch "dead or evil" line. Obviously tons of things that could happen, including his role not being substantial at all. But I have a funny feeling it might be. The character seems like something that might naturally call to King considering his own background.

As far as his pre-FP past with Diana, could be played a couple ways. Could be just completely retconned out, or, they could say that maybe they dated at a time when she and Steve were on the outs. DCU history makes less sense now than it did before Flashpoint, so its not like it really matters at this point if they want to keep it.

[brettc1]

Ivy died, its been confirmed. I mean, she's going to come back. One she's a popular Bat-character, two, King did some set up with her as a reformed villain in the Batman title that I think is going to extend beyond just a sad death in this story. For my money I'm thinking the Green is going to bring her back. But for now she died.

We'll see what happens with Tom. For the record I was being a little tongue in cheek with my stauch "dead or evil" line. Obviously tons of things that could happen, including his role not being substantial at all. But I have a funny feeling it might be. The character seems like something that might naturally call to King considering his own background.

As far as his pre-FP past with Diana, could be played a couple ways. Could be just completely retconned out, or, they could say that maybe they dated at a time when she and Steve were on the outs. DCU history makes less sense now than it did before Flashpoint, so its not like it really matters at this point if they want to keep it.

You're right. She OBVIOUSLY would have dated Tom, not Clark. It's all so clear now...

[Sacred Knight]

Just working with the reality that we're within a continuity where its gone because it was too threatening to standard status quos to keep in.

[Miles To Go]

Just working with the reality that we're within a continuity where its gone because it was too threatening to standard status quos to keep in.

The relationship would have to be something meaningful to classify itself as a "threat"

The most recent animated movie and the tie-in material did a much better job of conveying what it ultimately always was: A fling between pals that ran it's course.

[Dr. Poison]

Ivy died, its been confirmed. I mean, she's going to come back. One she's a popular Bat-character, two, King did some set up with her as a reformed villain in the Batman title that I think is going to extend beyond just a sad death in this story. For my money I'm thinking the Green is going to bring her back. But for now she died.

We'll see what happens with Tom. For the record I was being a little tongue in cheek with my stauch "dead or evil" line. Obviously tons of things that could happen, including his role not being substantial at all. But I have a funny feeling it might be. The character seems like something that might naturally call to King considering his own background.

As far as his pre-FP past with Diana, could be played a couple ways. Could be just completely retconned out, or, they could say that maybe they dated at a time when she and Steve were on the outs. DCU history makes less sense now than it did before Flashpoint, so its not like it really matters at this point if they want to keep it.

I like your theory about Diana and Tom dating while she and Steve were on the outs(or she believed Steve was dead) as I like the idea of Tom being a part of Diana's world even though I want Diana to be with Steve for the long haul.

[Last Son of Krypton]

True. It's far too much to hope that this is the final crisis

lol. HiC is probably a prelude to another Crisis.

[Sacred Knight]

The relationship would have to be something meaningful to classify itself as a "threat"

The most recent animated movie and the tie-in material did a much better job of conveying what it ultimately always was: A fling between pals that ran it's course.

Hey don't tell me that, tell the old-school creators who are threatened. But it probably wouldn't make them feel better, they of all people know their comics history thus know it is indeed historically meaningful.

Yes the emoji means I'm just playing. I believe it but I am playing around, as I assume brett was too.

I like your theory about Diana and Tom dating while she and Steve were on the outs(or she believed Steve was dead) as I like the idea of Tom being a part of Diana's world even though I want Diana to be with Steve for the long haul.

I would be fine with either or. Hell maybe they could use a bit of a triangle to spice things up, I dunno. But I'm not too invested either way. I never disliked Tom, but at the same time he was always just kinda there, just like most male characters of that era that writers tried introducing to her books to replace the still Perez-ed Steve. None of them particularly resonated. It wasn't terribad or anything, I went to bat for it when Rucka ignored it to push his Bat nonsense, it just wasn't great.

[brettc1]

OH MY GOD!

I literally just woke up with this thought in my head.

What if Nemesis DID kill everyone, and it was because they were IMPOSTERS!



For those not familiar, the last time I think we saw Tom was post Final Crisis [see, SEE lol] and he was being pursued by Wonder Woman and Dick Grayson [who was Batman at the time] while he claimed that people were being replaced by duplicates!





It also followed straight on from a mini where Tom was trapped in some kind of weird cross dimension reality.

[Fuzzy Mittens]

Pretty sure the last time Nemesis popped up it was in Grayson wherin he was established as one of the spies who had been killed off