Can we talk about the sliding comics timeline?

[myownlittleusername]

I don't believe it has been established, but Spencer doesn't see Peter as being much older than the average college graduate going by his portrayal/new status quos. Bendis was on board with that back during Spider-Man II when he established that Pete wasn't much older than Miles, he didn't give an exact number. It could have just been Peter in character not wanting to feel old I guess.

Slott definitely portrayed Peter as being in his late Twenties, but others tend to play him off as being younger. Twenty-Three seems to be the sweet spot, which is why I assume the new game runs with it.

I see. So then he's still 27-29 in the comics. Missed the game part at first.

[Personamanx]

I see. So then he's still 27-29 in the comics. Missed the game part at first.

He's a being of ill-defined, and contradictory age in the comics. Slott considering him 27-29 is as meaningless as Bendis considering him to be 22 after already treating him as older during his run on Avengers.

[myownlittleusername]

He's a being of ill-defined, and contradictory age in the comics. Slott considering him 27-29 is as meaningless as Bendis considering him to be 22 after already treating him as older during his run on Avengers.

Sure, different writers may write him with different maturity levels and that's fine, some flexibility should be allowed.

The specific age was printed though and approved by the powers that be, so it's not just a single writer's opinion. Also consistent with the age of the Marvel universe according to Brevoort (and JDW).

[cranger]

Sure, different writers may write him with different maturity levels and that's fine, some flexibility should be allowed.

The specific age was printed though and approved by the powers that be, so it's not just a single writer's opinion. Also consistent with the age of the Marvel universe according to Brevoort (and JDW).

Yeah, Peter was clearly older than 28 and so Marvel made specific mention of his age to freeze him at 28. And no one should cite Bendis as a source of continuity, he doesn't care about that.

[Snoop Dogg]

Everyone at Marvel rolls with late 20's Peter. He's late 20's.

[yogaflame]

Cannonball, the second oldest New Mutant after Karma(who is 2 years older), was 21 as recent as the Utopia era. There's no way it was only 5 years from 82-09, but more than five years from 09-18.

Here's a better way to think of it:

Year 1(1963): After assembling the team and beginning their training, Xavier invites Jean to join them. Iceman is 16. Jean, Warren, Scott are 17/18. Hank is 18/19. They stop Magneto at Cape Citadel. Celebrated as heroes, they work with the government. They fail initially to stop Vanisher and the people begin to doubt them. Xavier is showing devious tactics as he stops Vanisher, and the Blob, with the help of his teenaged students.

Year 2-4(64-75): O5 celebrate one year together, fight the Brotherhood, further adventures, Mimic, Havok, Polaris, Banshee, Sunfire, Factor Three, repel the Z'Nox invasion, hidden years, get captured on Krakoa.

Year 5 (75-80): All new all different team saves them, Thunderbird dies, Jean goes Phoenix, saves the universe, vs. Magneto, Savage Land, Japan, Alpha Flight, Vs. Proteus/reunited.

Year 6(80-84): Hellfire Club, Kitty, Dazzler, DPS, N'Gari X-Mas, DoFP, vs. Doom, Belasco, vs. Rogue, Brood Saga, New Mutants, Morlocks, Rogue joins, Cyke marries Maddie, Storm loses powers.

Year 7(84-89): Secret Wars, Magneto joins/Xavier leaves, Nate born/duel, Jean comes back/X-Factor founded, vs Nimrod, Mutant Massacre, Psylocke/Dazzler/Longshot joins, Fall of the Mutants, Excalibur formed, Outback era begins, Inferno.

Year 8(89-94): Jubilee introduced, Outback dissassembled, Banshee and Forge reunite, Gambit/Cable appears, X-Tinction Agenda, reunite with Xavier in Shi'Ar space, Muir Island Saga, X-Force forms, Blue/Gold teams, Acolytes, Hellions die, Bishop introduced, X-Cutioner's Song, Logan loses Adamantium, Scott and Jean get married, Gen X forms, Angel/Psylocke begin to date.

Year 9(95-99):Legion Quest/Age of Apocalypse, Cannonball/Joseph join X-Men, Onslaught, Operation Zero Tolerance, Maggot/CC/Marrow join, Kurt/Kitty/Piotr rejoin, the Twelve, Cyke/Poccy merge.

Year 10(00-05): Morrison era, X-Treme forms, Academy X, XSE formed, Astonishing X-Men, House of M.

Year 11(06-11): Storm marries BP, No More Mutants/X-Ghetto, Greymalkin Industries, Utopia era begins, Second Coming, Schism.

Year 12(12-17): AvX/fall of Utopia/death of Xavier, Storm returns to the X-Men, Cyke's revolution, O5 brought to present, Wolverine dies, Secret Wars, IvX, Kitty's era, Jean returns.

Year 13(just beginning): Gambit/Rogue married, O5 return, Iceman turns 28.

[Digifiend]

Yeah, Peter was clearly older than 28 and so Marvel made specific mention of his age to freeze him at 28. And no one should cite Bendis as a source of continuity, he doesn't care about that.

Yeah, Bendis was just joking. Miles is now 17. Ultimate Peter was 16, and Miles was 13 when Peter died. Miles had a one year timeskip during his run in the Ultimate comics. Partly thanks to the suspension of the Ultimate Universe after Secret Wars (it was destroyed, but the Fantastic Four apparently restored it) and partly due to death and resurrection, Peter's not going to have aged much. But Miles is now 17, having had a birthday in his annual, an eight month timeskip at the start of ANAD, and about a further year of activity in 616. Remember, Spider-Men II, unlike pretty much everything else, presented Miles as remembering the Ultimate Universe. And 616 Peter would've known about it from Spider-Verse.

[Havok83]

The characters age changes based on whatever is needed.

Example. In the 90's Deadpool, Wade had Siryn as a love interest. So she had to have been a grown woman, as Wade certainly wasn't a young man at the time. JDW says he's between 45-50 now. Meanwhile, in the 90's GenX, Monet was 16 or 17 when the series ended. Come X-Factor, she appears to be Siryn's age group & they slept with the same guy.

Emma's age received good bits of debate when she's stated to be no older than 28 now, which makes her young as fuck with some of her earlier stories.

Generation X isnt supposed to be that much younger than New Mutants/X-Force and there's certainly alot of overlap. For example when Gen X started, Jubilee was youngest at 13 and a half and Chamber was 18. Rahne from New Mutants/X-Factor was 15/16 and Cannonball was about 18/19. Monet was 16 when the book started and about 17/18 when it ended. She and Siryn arent that far apart that they wouldnt reasonably be peers as adults

[yogaflame]

Generation X isnt supposed to be that much younger than New Mutants/X-Force and there's certainly alot of overlap. For example when Gen X started, Jubilee was youngest at 13 and a half and Chamber was 18. Rahne from New Mutants/X-Factor was 15/16 and Cannonball was about 18/19. Monet was 16 when the book started and about 17/18 when it ended. She and Siryn arent that far apart that they wouldnt reasonably be peers as adults

Paige and Sam are siblings. Gen X and NM/X-Force are technically the same generation.

[Havok83]

Paige and Sam are siblings. Gen X and NM/X-Force are technically the same generation.

IA. Like two years at most separates them as she was one of the older Guthrie siblings. I think the ages and generations were easy enough to follow until the mess that began with the New X-men with dozens of random kids being introduced and overlapping with each other, never really progressing

[yogaflame]

IA. Like two years at most separates them as she was one of the older Guthrie siblings. I think the ages and generations were easy enough to follow until the mess that began with the New X-men with dozens of random kids being introduced and overlapping with each other, never really progressing

The NM's got about a hundred issue run, half by Lord Claremont himself(plus another 100 issues as X-Force). Gen X got a good 75. Each with a manageable roster. The Academy X+ kids can't compare; everything gets relaunched too quickly these days for real development to occur.

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

Sadly the characters have been de-aging in some cases. Read Domino's current solo by Gail Simone. Domino should be in her mid-late thirties, but is written like an awkward 20-year-old.

Sabretooth is older than Wolverine, and tends to be written like a dumb frat-boy jock. He's recently been stated to be on dating sites, using smart-phones and texting with emojis and speaking with words like "man." - "Stryker, looks like we just killed ya, man." And how he mentions lurking on twitter.

Honestly, the de-aging of some characters is even worse. No way the current Domino would've ever been in a relationship with Cable. Currently she's dating Warpath, and calling him stuff like "beef-cake" and "hot guy I like to play smash-mouth with."

Honestly can't decide which is the most horrific.

[WebLurker]

I will never agree with the sliding time scale. It leads to a form of storytelling that's becoming increasingly obsolete as more and more forms of entertainment — even animation — abandon rigid adherence to a status quo and adopts a heavier reliance on character development and allowing characters to move forward. It mires characters and stories in past, and is especially problematic because of the changing demographics among the audience (IE, hetero WASPs formed the majority of the readers when most of the "core" characters were introduced, and thus the core reflects that demographic; POCs and LGBT therefore occupy a token status). The handful of shows that still rely on this — IE the Simpsons — feel increasingly dated.

The industry NEEDS to suck it up and phase it out. Allow characters age, grow, move on, and even die for keeps. Maybe riding on the same 60 year-old core keeps their existing audience happy, but as demographics change and that audience eventually dies (because we DON'T live in a "Death Is Cheap Comic Book Time" world that never ages) they're going to be finding it increasingly difficult to draw the increasingly diverse new readers for whom those characters no longer appeal.

I don't know; I think the sliding timescale falls into that range where it would be worse to get rid of it then keep it, and that most of us don't really want it to go away. Quite frankly, I don't want to see my favorite characters age out of the stories; that's the only reason I read the stuff. As someone else pointed out prior, comic book time is going to be a given since so many of the big name characters need it.

[Armageddon]

I don't know; I think the sliding timescale falls into that range where it would be worse to get rid of it then keep it, and that most of us don't really want it to go away. Quite frankly, I don't want to see my favorite characters age out of the stories; that's the only reason I read the stuff. As someone else pointed out prior, comic book time is going to be a given since so many of the big name characters need it.

At least you can admit it it’s not what you want to see.

When ppl say, it’s brcause they don’t want to rob the new generation, I’m like, who are you to decide who they want to read about?

They really need to stop adding new generations of X-men

[butterflykyss]

Cannonball, the second oldest New Mutant after Karma(who is 2 years older), was 21 as recent as the Utopia era. There's no way it was only 5 years from 82-09, but more than five years from 09-18.

Here's a better way to think of it:

Year 1(1963): After assembling the team and beginning their training, Xavier invites Jean to join them. Iceman is 16. Jean, Warren, Scott are 17/18. Hank is 18/19. They stop Magneto at Cape Citadel. Celebrated as heroes, they work with the government. They fail initially to stop Vanisher and the people begin to doubt them. Xavier is showing devious tactics as he stops Vanisher, and the Blob, with the help of his teenaged students.

Year 2-4(64-75): O5 celebrate one year together, fight the Brotherhood, further adventures, Mimic, Havok, Polaris, Banshee, Sunfire, Factor Three, repel the Z'Nox invasion, hidden years, get captured on Krakoa.

Year 5 (75-80): All new all different team saves them, Thunderbird dies, Jean goes Phoenix, saves the universe, vs. Magneto, Savage Land, Japan, Alpha Flight, Vs. Proteus/reunited.

Year 6(80-84): Hellfire Club, Kitty, Dazzler, DPS, N'Gari X-Mas, DoFP, vs. Doom, Belasco, vs. Rogue, Brood Saga, New Mutants, Morlocks, Rogue joins, Cyke marries Maddie, Storm loses powers.

Year 7(84-89): Secret Wars, Magneto joins/Xavier leaves, Nate born/duel, Jean comes back/X-Factor founded, vs Nimrod, Mutant Massacre, Psylocke/Dazzler/Longshot joins, Fall of the Mutants, Excalibur formed, Outback era begins, Inferno.

Year 8(89-94): Jubilee introduced, Outback dissassembled, Banshee and Forge reunite, Gambit/Cable appears, X-Tinction Agenda, reunite with Xavier in Shi'Ar space, Muir Island Saga, X-Force forms, Blue/Gold teams, Acolytes, Hellions die, Bishop introduced, X-Cutioner's Song, Logan loses Adamantium, Scott and Jean get married, Gen X forms, Angel/Psylocke begin to date.

Year 9(95-99):Legion Quest/Age of Apocalypse, Cannonball/Joseph join X-Men, Onslaught, Operation Zero Tolerance, Maggot/CC/Marrow join, Kurt/Kitty/Piotr rejoin, the Twelve, Cyke/Poccy merge.

Year 10(00-05): Morrison era, X-Treme forms, Academy X, XSE formed, Astonishing X-Men, House of M.

Year 11(06-11): Storm marries BP, No More Mutants/X-Ghetto, Greymalkin Industries, Utopia era begins, Second Coming, Schism.

Year 12(12-17): AvX/fall of Utopia/death of Xavier, Storm returns to the X-Men, Cyke's revolution, O5 brought to present, Wolverine dies, Secret Wars, IvX, Kitty's era, Jean returns.

Year 13(just beginning): Gambit/Rogue married, O5 return, Iceman turns 28.

how old would ororo be? I didnt think she was older than most of the 05 when she joined with the exception of iceman.