Green Goblin vs. Captain America

[Primetime Harder]

Didn't mean to cause a mini-ruckus; I'm just rusty on my rumbles protocol. I'll get my Khazan legs back soon enough. Plus I've been writing a superhero novel recently, and I suppose I'm just thinking too much in terms of story.

[The Watcher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlgQriclUSw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfSz0bQzZuM
Sorry man, but MCU Cap is nowhere near as strong as Dafoe Goblin.

Well, Raimi Spiderman is definitely stronger than MCU Cap. Doesn't necessarily mean the Goblin is his equal. A weaker man can hurt a stronger one with a punch. It's been a while since I've seen the movie. Anyone remember the Goblin grappling with Spidey or doing anything else that would give a good gauge of his strength?

[Cujo]

Well, Raimi Spiderman is definitely stronger than MCU Cap. Doesn't necessarily mean the Goblin is his equal. A weaker man can hurt a stronger one with a punch. It's been a while since I've seen the movie. Anyone remember the Goblin grappling with Spidey or doing anything else that would give a good gauge of his strength?

The guys holding up a cable car full of people with one hand with no visible strain.

What more proof do you need?

[The Watcher]

The guys holding up a cable car full of people with one hand with no visible strain.

What more proof do you need?

He's holding it with his hand? I couldn't see that. For some reason the video is pretty dark on my monitor. I couldn't make out that detail. I could barely make out the Goblin at all. Thought the cable was attached to something else.

Well, in that case, movie Goblin is clearly Spidey-Strong.

[Clark Prince]

When did DD lose track of Spider-man? How does DD lose track of someone given his senses? Also, DD can react to bullets pretty easily. So if Spider-man can really move too fast for him to follow to the point even his super-sense doesn't know what is going, Spider-man is like quicksilver or something.

Also, I wouldn't be so sure Goblin is as fast as Spider-man. Does he have any non spider-man related fights to judge?

If Goblin isn't any faster, in the right location where hiding is possible, Cap could get in a sneak attack shield throw to the neck.

[heretic]

Green Goblin https://marvel.com/universe/Green_Goblin

Vs.
Cap. America https://marvel.com/universe/Captain_...(Steve_Rogers)

They fight deep in an underground bunker. Cap is the only thing stopping Oregon from being destroyed. Can Cap get it done?

Alone? No. Normie is strong enough to tear him apart and too fast for Steve's usual 'dance around and chip away with shield' solution to that problem to work.

And this is without factoring in the Goblin's gear.

[Shellhead]

Goblin is generally given Peter Parker level stats

Just out of curiosity, are there any Green Goblin speed feats independent of his fights with Spider-man? Have we seen him blitz anybody? Dodge any bullets? Anything? Because if we don't have those kind of verifiable speedfeats, why does Green Goblin get a free pass that isn't granted here to some other Spider-foes? Is Molten Man now a bullet-timer because he has punched Spider-man on past occasions? Kingpin is quick, but is he a bullet-timer? How about Luke Cage, who has repeatedly hit both Green Goblin and Spider-man in the past?

[The Drunkard Kid]

If they don't start out in the same room, Cap might be able to lure Norman into a trap, especially if there's sufficient ordinance in the bunker to collapse it, especially if GG is near the explosion since vague speed-level aside, dude doesn't have a Spider Sense.

OTOH, Normie is already carrying a lot of explosives, is far more ruthless in non-Khazan settings, and can be a sneaky jerk.

[Captain Morgan]

Just pointing out, I don't know that we spot Norman Spider-Man level reflexes. Actual speed feats for him might be nice.

[Hazard]

A 30 second Google search gives me nothing for speed.

Durability and strength should be up there though; so it's not really much trouble for this Rumble.

[Captain Morgan]

A 30 second Google search gives me nothing for speed.

Durability and strength should be up there though; so it's not really much trouble for this Rumble.

Indeed, and Norman has gear as well. Just want to point out that not every Spider-Man villain actually has reflexes to keep up with him sans PIS. Some do, mind.

[Matt the Manly]

There was a ruling in the old Rumbles about Green Goblins speed though I dont remember if it was for or against

In any case , By stats I also meant "strength and durability on a Spiderman level". So speed doesn't really affect this particular matchup

[Captain Morgan]

Honestly though, we might not want to treat Cap's stats as a given. While I've always been in the "Cap has stats comparable to Batman" camp, the old rulings are gone and the dude does have some pretty impressive performances in recent years. What do you guys think?

[Matt the Manly]

Strictly within the context of this thread, I don't think Caps stats are comparable to spider Man. At all. So he loses to a a guy like Green Goblin

[Matt the Manly]

Nor do I believe Cap should be classified as anything other than peak human given his feats over decades and Marvel's own insistence on presenting him as a guy enhanced to "the peak of human potential"