Your crazy idea to freshen up the x-books?

[Bl00dwerK]

Start from scratch, like they did with the Ultimate Universe. Kill off all the mutants in the "616" if they want. No Omega mutants, OP telepaths, or immortal healing factors.

[Sundown]

.....Pretending that characters being gone is to kill the franchise is hilarious. If the franchise isn't dead now after losing Cyclops,Wolverine and Xavier then nothing is going to kill it. And also when people are talking about aging out characters it isn't a stupid plan of throwing out everyone of course you keep Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, Jean Grey,Nightcrawlers around a little longer. The best example is a show like Grey's Anatomy they have switch most of the big name name stars on the show keeping on a couple stars as a bridge. But elevating character in importance give weight to characters and some become stars in their own right.

And, to use your example, Gray's Anatomy keeps going downhill, just like ER did before it when they did the same thing.

Do people go over in the Avenger's forum and say, hey let's get rid of Cap and Tony and Thor and start replacing them with Avenger's academy kids? I'm curious, because I don't think it would work any better here than it would over there.

It appears that the younger gen is getting a book in this crossover. Maybe the numbers will show if they can carry a title better than the older X-Men.

[Snoop Dogg]

And, to use your example, Gray's Anatomy keeps going downhill, just like ER did before it when they did the same thing.

Do people go over in the Avenger's forum and say, hey let's get rid of Cap and Tony and Thor and start replacing them with Avenger's academy kids? I'm curious, because I don't think it would work any better here than it would over there.

It appears that the younger gen is getting a book in this crossover. Maybe the numbers will show if they can carry a title better than the older X-Men.

The only X-character comparable to Cap or Tony is Wolverine, because like them, he is a franchise and brand by himself. But even those characters were booted out of their books multiple times to shine the spotlight on others. We definitely don't need Nightcrawler or Colossus around all the time (especially when there are no new ideas for them). We didn't need Jean Grey back. It's about balance. The Avengers office mixes new and old in balanced ways while the X-Office is always obsessed with the old.

[Sundown]

The only X-character comparable to Cap or Tony is Wolverine, because like them, he is a franchise and brand by himself. But even those characters were booted out of their books multiple times to shine the spotlight on others. We definitely don't need Nightcrawler or Colossus around all the time (especially when there are no new ideas for them). We didn't need Jean Grey back. It's about balance. The Avengers office mixes new and old in balanced ways while the X-Office is always obsessed with the old.

Disagree completely. The O5 and ANAD crews are iconic. Warren could possibly be filtered out, though I'm sure they'd be backlash on that, as much as filtering Colossus. The rest are the X-Men.

The difference in the people pushing new characters in this thread and the "old-timers" is that we're not suggesting taking away what interests you. I'm all for the kids getting their own book. Have at it, and I'll cheerfully ignore it, as I've always done, and stick with the X-Men I do care about. You guys are suggesting replacing those X-Men with your choices, because...reasons.

I'll never be for that, and, like Gray's Anatomy, would drop the franchise if Marvel did something that stupid. I doubt I'd be the only one.

[sirmarkus]

Disagree completely. The O5 and ANAD crews are iconic. Warren could possibly be filtered out, though I'm sure they'd be backlash on that, as much as filtering Colossus. The rest are the X-Men.

The difference in the people pushing new characters in this thread and the "old-timers" is that we're not suggesting taking away what interests you. I'm all for the kids getting their own book. Have at it, and I'll cheerfully ignore it, as I've always done, and stick with the X-Men I do care about. You guys are suggesting replacing those X-Men with your choices, because...reasons.

I'll never be for that, and, like Gray's Anatomy, would drop the franchise if Marvel did something that stupid. I doubt I'd be the only one.

I like the idea of having a few core X-Men, and then a rotating group of newcomers based on the needs of the particular story. It allows all of our favourite mutants to be highlighted in the book, and for some of the newcomers and fringe characters to get the odd chance to shine. Besides, X-Men has a history of doing this from time to time. Iceman leading a team during Zero-Tolerance, Banshee and Emma Frost during the Phalanx Covenant to name a couple. It's arc specific, and usually events like that are limited in scope, but it does allow for some variety and helps keep characters from getting stale. My 2 cents anyway.

[Killerbee911]

The Avengers office mixes new and old in balanced ways while the X-Office is always obsessed with the old.

To mix results the Avengers had Falcon Cap,Female Thor,Nova,Ms Marvel, and Miles. The Avenger did what X-men fans have ask put young members up and give them a chance to shine. Now I am not giving the Avengers run completely credit and you are argue it didn't work. The Champions book imo gives some of its success to fact that characters were allowed to be seen as real heroes on the real squad.

[comeatmebro]

get better editors and writers

[Tycon]

To mix results the Avengers had Falcon Cap,Female Thor,Nova,Ms Marvel, and Miles. The Avenger did what X-men fans have ask put young members up and give them a chance to shine. Now I am not giving the Avengers run completely credit and you are argue it didn't work. The Champions book imo gives some of its success to fact that characters were allowed to be seen as real heroes on the real squad.

Hell, the Avengers/Champions office is even bringing back fan-favorite young characters in a potentially big way. Runaways getting play, Young Avengers rumored to return, Avengers Academy alumni Finesse, Power Man, Spider-Girl, Hazmat, and Thunderstrike getting attention after years of nothing, the NOW.generation joining teams, etc. Basically, they are doing what the X-Office dreams of. We barely get focus on a single generation after the ANAD gen at once, so we'd be lucky to even see the New Mutants interacting with Gen X or Gen X with Academy X. Meanwhile, Avengers: No Surrender was centered around mostly C and D listers, some X-men, nobodies, Falcon, and Wasp; they even managed to make it so successful that it not only got a spiritual successor but other offices are using that style of storytelling.

The X-Office always seem scared to deviate from the same four status quos (split up, in an alternate reality, "united"/back to basics, being exterminated) of the X-Men. Recently, they've either pushed characters into new roles (Polaris as a teacher, Angel as a shepherd to a militant-minded mutant army) or put certain characters in previous roles with a hint of subversion (Emma back in the Hellfire Club as a force for mutant survival, Magneto leading a Brotherhood more akin to Scott's Revolutionary team). There is so much good that's been set up since TRO that the post-AoXM landscape has the potential to be iconic, but I'm afraid the interesting stuff is getting swept under the rug for more safety nets and nostalgia-spiked sales.

[Wolverine12]

Send the team on a cosmic adventure. I want to see the X-Men but heads with the Kree, Skrulls, Negative Zone etc. Have them form a home/base on some random planet light years away and make them save the universe with nobody ever knowing about it except the people participating. Let the story unfold over at least 1 year, more if it's selling well and you have good ideas.

[BroHomo]

It would be some of the young mutants questioning why it is almost always the same X-Men who never stay dead.
They will discover that one of the big name X-Men made a deal with Mojo and Mephisto to keep their pals alive.
The stars of the show, the popular X-Men, would never die forever. The price? Leading young mutants to death and allowing Mephisto to take their souls.

At the end of the story, a team made of all those "never to be X-Men" will manage to cancell the deal.
The young mutants trapped in hell are revived, while the old guard X-Men who beneficied from the deal die and stay dead.

It's time for a new generation of X-Men to fight for mutants and humans.

Oh Dang this is actually really interesting....abd totally not gonna happen would be baller to see it as a What If? x2

No More Sliding Timescale.

I'd legally change my name to Wanda Maximoff if she had spoken these words

Make everyone gay.

Ive just assumed everyone was....now im just playing the Waiting game.... Lookin at YOU Sunspot

I'd make minority Mutants come together to colonize the colonizers

[Sutekh]

2. Humans need a "Magneto"- The Zealot groups like the Purifiers and Reavers work. But it would even better with a group you would understand or sympathize with and kinda root for them. It is easy when humans are the villains. But what happens when they have a legit point? Legit human group that clash with X-men and Mutants they are not bigoted, but practical would be interesting and compelling sympathetic person leading would help.

Something the X-Men haven't had for awhile are human allies, friends, family or love interests. It's long-past time we saw more Moira McTaggarts and Lee Forresters and Candy Southerns and Trish Tilby's out there. (And yes, it's entirely possible that a mutant *woman* could date a non-mutant man..., as Storm and Kitty have both done.)

The comics show us angry mobs and Purifiers and the Church of Humanity, but no sign of the sort of mutant ally groups or support groups for families with mutant members, who may not be mutants themselves, but are affected by laws or practises stigmatizing their loved ones. Alison Blaire is rightly shown as at least a minor celebrity, but dozens of mutants should have that status, with no regard for their talent at anything other than showing up places, making controversial statements and looking remark-worthy (either fabulous or a train-wreck, whatever gets people talking!).

I could totally see Boom-Boom or Jubilee or Monet having a Kardashian-sized twitter following, for instance, and being called upon to march in Mutant Pride parades, or to say (deliberately provocative?) things on talk shows.

All we see is the misery porn, and the same side of humanity. There are good mutants and bad mutants. Why are there no good humans left? Why are the X-peeps (or, more accurately, their writers) seemingly purging non-mutant friends, family, lovers, etc. from their lives and their school, in seeming rejection of Xavier's dream of mutant/human co-existence?

In short, more Moira McTaggart and Kavita Rao and Tom Corsi and Stevie Hunter type figures. A single human politician who remembers that they were elected to represent *all* citizens, even the mutant ones, and wonders who gave anybody the authority to send giant heavily-armed robots crashing around America and detaining or even killing law-abiding citizens, would be a shocking and logical turn of events (and, really, there should be hundreds of them).

There doesn't even have to be a mutant congresscritter, or one with a mutant in their family, just some normal people who, with no 'skin in the game,' have decided for whatever reason, not to be rampaging racist dicks. That would be refreshing to see. After all, it's a comic book about super-people in a world of heroes, and it's a tonal problem if the 'regular folks' that the 'heroes' are defending are, without exception, indefensible jerks who should be left to die...

[Killerbee911]

Something the X-Men haven't had for awhile are human allies, friends, family or love interests. It's long-past time we saw more Moira McTaggarts and Lee Forresters and Candy Southerns and Trish Tilby's out there. (And yes, it's entirely possible that a mutant *woman* could date a non-mutant man..., as Storm and Kitty have both done.)

The comics show us angry mobs and Purifiers and the Church of Humanity, but no sign of the sort of mutant ally groups or support groups for families with mutant members, who may not be mutants themselves, but are affected by laws or practises stigmatizing their loved ones. Alison Blaire is rightly shown as at least a minor celebrity, but dozens of mutants should have that status, with no regard for their talent at anything other than showing up places, making controversial statements and looking remark-worthy (either fabulous or a train-wreck, whatever gets people talking!).

I could totally see Boom-Boom or Jubilee or Monet having a Kardashian-sized twitter following, for instance, and being called upon to march in Mutant Pride parades, or to say (deliberately provocative?) things on talk shows.

All we see is the misery porn, and the same side of humanity. There are good mutants and bad mutants. Why are there no good humans left? Why are the X-peeps (or, more accurately, their writers) seemingly purging non-mutant friends, family, lovers, etc. from their lives and their school, in seeming rejection of Xavier's dream of mutant/human co-existence?

In short, more Moira McTaggart and Kavita Rao and Tom Corsi and Stevie Hunter type figures. A single human politician who remembers that they were elected to represent *all* citizens, even the mutant ones, and wonders who gave anybody the authority to send giant heavily-armed robots crashing around America and detaining or even killing law-abiding citizens, would be a shocking and logical turn of events (and, really, there should be hundreds of them).

There doesn't even have to be a mutant congresscritter, or one with a mutant in their family, just some normal people who, with no 'skin in the game,' have decided for whatever reason, not to be rampaging racist dicks. That would be refreshing to see. After all, it's a comic book about super-people in a world of heroes, and it's a tonal problem if the 'regular folks' that the 'heroes' are defending are, without exception, indefensible jerks who should be left to die...

The X-men can cover so many interesting areas. For example the X-men claim to want peaceful coexistence with humans but they are no humans inside of their inner circle. The X-men weirdly are kind of similar to how the original Black Panther party operated it was very take care of your own and we will protect ourself because nobody else will. Over the years right or wrong people have associated the black panther party of being hate group and some of that is because group isn't integrated . You don't see X-men getting call out on that the X-men live in small bubble away from human issues. I know they are some fans that wouldn't agree with this thinking but what Xaviers Institute/Academy open their doors to having normal students and Teachers. And the X-men are force to interact with humans. The big idea in my head what if the X-men live in a fully integrated town of mutants and humans. And all those excess students and X-men get to fill out roles in the town like Bishop being a Sheriff, Celia Reyes being a Doctor or Dazzler owning a nightclub. While a group of X-men are running around still being heroes. A group of X-men are dealing with mutant and regular crime in the town, Issue of mutant and humans living together,etc.

Another idea what if there was a human group whose goal is coexistent with mutants and they went around protecting mutants/stopping evil mutants/fighting mutant hate groups just like the X-men. What if they have the moral high ground to call the X-men on their bs because this group A. Government backed fully legal unlike the X-men who are gray area sometimes B. This human based group has mutants working in it. What if they wrote a story where the X-men are kinda wrong side of the topic something like a mutant hurt group of people probably by accident but human group comes to lawful put out control mutant in facility and X-men are against it because do they do not believe mutants can get fair treatment. The catch is the X-men is wrong this time the human based group is responsible taking care of it mutants offenders and following the laws. The X-men and this human group would clash when X-men do something suspect grey area or there is some bad legal rule that needs to be followed. They would be allies on occasion as well and to make sure you can't just paint the human group as evil. The some of the members would have sympathetic backstories like there kid or wife was a mutant , A X-men member saved their life or there coworker who is mutant is close friend.

I think the X-men be one of best drama/sci fi concepts while still being a superhero concept.

[Ambaryerno]

Something the X-Men haven't had for awhile are human allies, friends, family or love interests.

Well, X-23 has her aunt and cousin again now that Kimura is gone.

[davetvs]

Bring back Morrison and Make X-Men Weird Again.

[phoenixzero23]

Bring back Morrison and Make X-Men Weird Again.

Please no. I want Jean alive and his take on romantic plots has hurt everybody involved forever