Powergirl Appreciation 2019

[achilles]

You're right that Dick has never expressed interest in Karen. At least not to my knowledge. But I wouldn't say they know each other that well. They know each other, and they know each other well enough to trust each other in a professional capacity and have some mutual respect and admiration for each other. But I don't know if they've ever sat down and just had a conversation. Their interactions have been pretty rare, and almost always within the context of a larger threat like a Crisis or League mission.

It's not like Dick has actively expressed his *lack* of interest in Karen either. There's never been a panel (that I know of) where he thinks "Man, she's a great person but just not my type, and the only feelings I could ever have for her are platonic, just like with Donna."

I totally agree that any ship with Karen (or any ship, really) needs to be handled organically and not rushed. If the plan is to have it stick you can't force it.

Now here's a question. I firmly believe any characters in a relationship should belong to the same editorial department (I don't even like mixing franchises or solo title holders, but I make an exception here). So do we move Dick to the Super editorial (or whoever controls Karen) or does Karen join the Batman editorial?

I think you're entirely right about the state of their relationship in the past. Ignoring the Earth 2 part, they seem to be respectful colleagues about whom their is probably certain watercooler gossip in the spandex crowd, (not about a relationship, but separately, about their respective adventures---they did seem to be up on what they were each like...Dick certainly knows PG isn't the cautious type for example). But they don't seem to be all that familiar with each other.

IIRC, Kara/or Karen if you prefer, belonged to the JSA's editorial office before Flashpoint...whoever handled that. She's always sort of been "Superman Family", but in kind of the sense Jason Todd was a member of the Batman Family; the one DC itself was a bit ambivalent about. But with that ship...I don't know. You really can't move Dick entirely out of the Batman Family, and it would also be a bad idea IMO to do that to Kara.

[Robanker]

You're right that Dick has never expressed interest in Karen. At least not to my knowledge. But I wouldn't say they know each other that well. They know each other, and they know each other well enough to trust each other in a professional capacity and have some mutual respect and admiration for each other. But I don't know if they've ever sat down and just had a conversation. Their interactions have been pretty rare, and almost always within the context of a larger threat like a Crisis or League mission.

It's not like Dick has actively expressed his *lack* of interest in Karen either. There's never been a panel (that I know of) where he thinks "Man, she's a great person but just not my type, and the only feelings I could ever have for her are platonic, just like with Donna."

I totally agree that any ship with Karen (or any ship, really) needs to be handled organically and not rushed. If the plan is to have it stick you can't force it.

Now here's a question. I firmly believe any characters in a relationship should belong to the same editorial department (I don't even like mixing franchises or solo title holders, but I make an exception here). So do we move Dick to the Super editorial (or whoever controls Karen) or does Karen join the Batman editorial?

He /should/ come to the Super office where he'll actually be treated better... But we all know the Bat office takes what it pleases.

[WonderNight]

Dick needs been should've moved out of the bat office. There's no reason for him to be there, that one of the reasons he been so directionless since dixon left. Bludhevan is just the half step.

Now's the best time to do it with the batfamily being bigger then the JL! Batman and Gotham has all the support they need. What dick needs is space away from all that. Dick shouldn't be disconnected form the family but he should have his space and be a dcu character first.

Also I believe dc needs some couples who come form different franchies because it make the dcu more connected. And I believe whinck was going to put dick and karen together anyways.

Artemis and jason are form different franchies but it works because they're not the leads! They don't each have there own franchise so they can build together.

P.s can someone ask Judd whinck if he was planning on putting the to together? I feel like that's where he was going.

[achilles]

Dick needs been should've moved out of the bat office. There's no reason for him to be there, that one of the reasons he been so directionless since dixon left. Bludhevan is just the half step.

Now's the best time to do it with the batfamily being bigger then the JL! Batman and Gotham has all the support they need. What dick needs is space away from all that. Dick shouldn't be disconnected form the family but he should have his space and be a dcu character first.

Also I believe dc needs some couples who come form different franchies because it make the dcu more connected. And I believe whinck was going to put dick and karen together anyways.

Artemis and jason are form different franchies but it works because they're not the leads! They don't each have there own franchise so they can build together.

P.s can someone ask Judd whinck if he was planning on putting the to together? I feel like that's where he was going.

I...didn't get that impression. Felt more like a fun one-off to me. After all, he later put Kara together with Bruce with similar dialogue; I think that's just how he imagined those characters would talk to each other?

[Ascended]

Also I believe dc needs some couples who come form different franchies because it make the dcu more connected. And I believe whinck was going to put dick and karen together anyways.

Artemis and jason are form different franchies but it works because they're not the leads! They don't each have there own franchise so they can build together.

From a creative standpoint I agree with you. But from the business side I imagine it creates a lot of problems when your couple belong to different editorial groups. Imagine you're writing Karen and her love interest is Dick; that's a major supporting character and part of her life. You're gonna have to run every appearance of Nightwing (so almost every issue you write) past not only your own editor/s but the editors of the Bat office as well. That's more work for everyone and it's gonna slow production down. And what if the Bat office decides they want to do something ridiculous with Dick (like have him lose his memory and become a hobo cab driver), that's gonna potentially mess with your plans. And vice versa.

Artemis and Jason work because, to my knowledge, Artemis isn't actually under Diana's editorial umbrella. Just like Donna isn't (unless the Titans editors and Wonder editors are now under the League umbrella anyway).

[achilles]

Although I do think it a bit...premature to ship Kara with anyone, I find it interesting that Dick seems to be such a popular ship...and I don't see many others shipped with Kara. Personally, I think she needs quite a bit of work before the shipping starts, since she's almost entirely a blank slate, but hey, why not I suppose, just so long as DC doesn't lead with it when she comes back. I'd like a bit of a rogue's gallery first, her origin story firmed up by actually being told, giving her a DC fictional city, rather than New York---which struck me as a bit lazy, a supporting cast....and most of that means a solo title or at least a series of minis. And yeah, something to distinguish her from SG other than visual, so DC stops panicking about her...and some role that makes her a bit harder to ignore or get rid of.

I would think though, that from an editorial perspective, to resolve those conflicts, PG should probably either ship with another character under the Superman umbrella, or with either an entirely new character or one who just doesn't fall under any real editorial. But that bears the problem of likely being not nearly as interesting or fan-engaging than shipping her with Dick or some other popular character.

[Robanker]

Although I do think it a bit...premature to ship Kara with anyone, I find it interesting that Dick seems to be such a popular ship...and I don't see many others shipped with Kara. Personally, I think she needs quite a bit of work before the shipping starts, since she's almost entirely a blank slate, but hey, why not I suppose, just so long as DC doesn't lead with it when she comes back. I'd like a bit of a rogue's gallery first, her origin story firmed up by actually being told, giving her a DC fictional city, rather than New York---which struck me as a bit lazy, a supporting cast....and most of that means a solo title or at least a series of minis. And yeah, something to distinguish her from SG other than visual, so DC stops panicking about her...and some role that makes her a bit harder to ignore or get rid of.

I would think though, that from an editorial perspective, to resolve those conflicts, PG should probably either ship with another character under the Superman umbrella, or with either an entirely new character or one who just doesn't fall under any real editorial. But that bears the problem of likely being not nearly as interesting or fan-engaging than shipping her with Dick or some other popular character.

Hey man, I was the one guy who read into issue #7 of her solo and it's cover enough to think Jimmy, Justin and Amanda were setting up Doctor Mid-Nite as her love interest, so trust me when I say that most her prospects weren't that high profile or well-known. She's hooked up with some heroes but overall, Karen doesn't seem to be into the long term or hasn't found someone she can work it out with yet.

Dick is absolutely the right guy for a low commitment relationship but can follow through if it works. We've seen that before with him several times. He's got a good, upbeat mindset and doesn't take himself too seriously. Similar age and experience, both solo and on/leading teams (he edges Karen out on leadership but she has done it before). They're a good match.

Also they would probably be voted Most Attractive Supercouple every year they're a thing.

[achilles]

Hey man, I was the one guy who read into issue #7 of her solo and it's cover enough to think Jimmy, Justin and Amanda were setting up Doctor Mid-Nite as her love interest, so trust me when I say that most her prospects weren't that high profile or well-known. She's hooked up with some heroes but overall, Karen doesn't seem to be into the long term or hasn't found someone she can work it out with yet.

Dick is absolutely the right guy for a low commitment relationship but can follow through if it works. We've seen that before with him several times. He's got a good, upbeat mindset and doesn't take himself too seriously. Similar age and experience, both solo and on/leading teams (he edges Karen out on leadership but she has done it before). They're a good match.

Also they would probably be voted Most Attractive Supercouple every year they're a thing.

So long as they leave Vartox or whatever they call him out of it...

[Frontier]

Hey man, I was the one guy who read into issue #7 of her solo and it's cover enough to think Jimmy, Justin and Amanda were setting up Doctor Mid-Nite as her love interest, so trust me when I say that most her prospects weren't that high profile or well-known. She's hooked up with some heroes but overall, Karen doesn't seem to be into the long term or hasn't found someone she can work it out with yet.

Dick is absolutely the right guy for a low commitment relationship but can follow through if it works. We've seen that before with him several times. He's got a good, upbeat mindset and doesn't take himself too seriously. Similar age and experience, both solo and on/leading teams (he edges Karen out on leadership but she has done it before). They're a good match.

Also they would probably be voted Most Attractive Supercouple every year they're a thing.

Considering Pieter dated Black Canary...maybe he had a type.

[Ascended]

So long as they leave Vartox or whatever they call him out of it...

Oh, I enjoy Vartox's ridiculous hyper-masculinity and 70's era porn mustache! He's obnoxious but harmless. And he's never been a love interest for Karen, just someone she's had to deal with. If anyone was gonna hook up with that guy it'd be Harley.

I actually ship him with Maxima of Almerac. I think they'd actually work really well, honestly. Got a whole thing in my head where those two get married and combine their empires. Game of Thrones meets Star Wars, set in Clark's corner of cosmic DC.

[Robanker]

Oh, I enjoy Vartox's ridiculous hyper-masculinity and 70's era porn mustache! He's obnoxious but harmless. And he's never been a love interest for Karen, just someone she's had to deal with. If anyone was gonna hook up with that guy it'd be Harley.

I actually ship him with Maxima of Almerac. I think they'd actually work really well, honestly. Got a whole thing in my head where those two get married and combine their empires. Game of Thrones meets Star Wars, set in Clark's corner of cosmic DC.

You know, that would have been great prior to the New 52/Rebirth era. I think it's been said Maxima is a title now, so in theory the Maxima we remember exists and that could still happen, but currently Maxima is a lesbian so if she was to be with anyone, I'd probably have her be Wonder Woman's love interest, or at least give that a shot.

[KangMiRae]

You know, that would have been great prior to the New 52/Rebirth era. I think it's been said Maxima is a title now, so in theory the Maxima we remember exists and that could still happen, but currently Maxima is a lesbian so if she was to be with anyone, I'd probably have her be Wonder Woman's love interest, or at least give that a shot.

That’s funny for two reasons:

1). She’s appearing in Wonder Woman’s solo book soon.

2). She gave Wonder Woman a hard time for living on an island with only women and no men around to be intimate with, being very disgusted with the implication that the Amazonian women were sleeping together

Now she’s gay herself, lol! Kinda strange though. It looks like they’re making her into a grown woman now, but she was a teenage girl around Kara’s age last time though. She had a crush on Supergirl.

[Robanker]

That’s funny for two reasons:

1). She’s appearing in Wonder Woman’s solo book soon.

2). She gave Wonder Woman a hard time for living on an island with only women and no men around to be intimate with, being very disgusted with the implication that the Amazonian women were sleeping together

Now she’s gay herself, lol! Kinda strange though. It looks like they’re making her into a grown woman now, but she was a teenage girl around Kara’s age last time though. She had a crush on Supergirl.

It was revealed that Maxima is a title, so while it's still most likely the teen aged up, this can also be the classic Maxima. Who knows?

[Ascended]

You know, that would have been great prior to the New 52/Rebirth era. I think it's been said Maxima is a title now, so in theory the Maxima we remember exists and that could still happen, but currently Maxima is a lesbian so if she was to be with anyone, I'd probably have her be Wonder Woman's love interest, or at least give that a shot.

I know, she got de-aged and turned into a lesbian in Supergirl during the New52. That whole "space Hogwarts for heroes" arc was pretty good, actually, even if I didn't like Maxima and Captain Comet being turned into teenagers. Comet especially, since he had already been introduced in the 52 as an adult. Maxima at least, we hadn't seen so the de-aging was fair game for the reboot. Still a great arc though.

I'd just play it like the younger Maxima we saw in the 52 was Maxima the Younger, daughter of Empress Maxima (the adult one we're familiar with from post-Crisis). That way you get both and you can explore the royal family of Almerac.

[achilles]

Oh, I enjoy Vartox's ridiculous hyper-masculinity and 70's era porn mustache! He's obnoxious but harmless. And he's never been a love interest for Karen, just someone she's had to deal with. If anyone was gonna hook up with that guy it'd be Harley.

I actually ship him with Maxima of Almerac. I think they'd actually work really well, honestly. Got a whole thing in my head where those two get married and combine their empires. Game of Thrones meets Star Wars, set in Clark's corner of cosmic DC.

Eh, I thought Vartox was a one joke character who vastly overstayed his one joke.