Emma Frost: White Queen Appreciation 2019

[Omega Alpha]

Remember Alyssa Moy, I like her more then Susan Richards. Even the FF had to be broken up although it's much harder as they have children

In the F4, stability is the point. Conflict comes from Reed being secretive and/or too focused in his ideas, Johnny's antics, and Franklin and Valeria being kids. And Uncle Doom, of course.

[Ulfhammer]

In the F4, stability is the point. Conflict comes from Reed being secretive and/or too focused in his ideas, Johnny's antics, and Franklin and Valeria being kids. And Uncle Doom, of course.

Scott and Jean don't require internal conflict to work. In fact their relationship, and Scemma to a great extent, thrived entirely on external conflict. When you sit under the Sword of Damocles, you don't need friction to appreciate those who aren't trying to kill you.

[ExodusCloak]

In the F4, stability is the point. Conflict comes from Reed being secretive and/or too focused in his ideas, Johnny's antics, and Franklin and Valeria being kids. And Uncle Doom, of course.

But that also leads to poor sales and cancellation. Rinse and repeat the same formula week in week out stopped working

[victor borkowski]

Easily the worst showing for Emma in her entire character history, bar exploding a horse. And even that was so over the top it couldn't be taken seriously.

it was just horrible. this entire series just needs to be a dream/ nightmare.

[WallStreeter]

Also, Maddie was built from day one as a Jean replacement, was not a X-man, and (seemingly) had no powers, and literally no past before meeting Scott. Emma already had a following before the relationship, although her popularity skyrocketed after it and appearing in Morrison/Whedon's run, and is now one of the most popular characters in the franchise.

I don’t know Emma is one of the most popular characters in the franchise. I think the outcome of AvX severely damaged her popularity and she has been somewhat marginalized since. If she were that popular she wouldn’t have been treated the way she has been lately. Emma is responsible for XMen deaths in collaboration with Callahan. To save her but she wiped Mutants out of the minds of everyone, but forgot Callahan has sentinels and to look for Callahan. Or to relocate everyone to a hidden base.

[PsychoEFrost]

I don’t know Emma is one of the most popular characters in the franchise. I think the outcome of AvX severely damaged her popularity and she has been somewhat marginalized since. If she were that popular she wouldn’t have been treated the way she has been lately. Emma is responsible for XMen deaths in collaboration with Callahan. To save her but she wiped Mutants out of the minds of everyone, but forgot Callahan has sentinels and to look for Callahan. Or to relocate everyone to a hidden base.

Her popularity hasn't been in question. Editorials want to have her back as a bad guy is causing the issues.

[Fantasy Free Me]

If she were that popular she wouldn’t have been treated the way she has been lately.

Most recent runs beg to disagree.

Scott was treated like crap since AvX as well, Jean was hilariously killed and didn't really come back until just recently, Magneto was acting like a complete fool since Blue with Editorial trying to make him go back as villain just like they were doing with Emma and then you have Storm who spent most of her time in Gold taking naps.

And those are characters who are more popular than Emma.

Popularity doesn't save you from bad writing so it isn't really a valid argument to use to deny Emma's popularity.

[AJpyro]

Most recent runs beg to disagree.

Scott was treated like crap since AvX as well, Jean was hilariously killed and didn't really come back until just recently, Magneto was acting like a complete fool since Blue with Editorial trying to make him go back as villain just like they were doing with Emma and then you have Storm who spent most of her time in Gold taking naps.

And those are characters who are more popular than Emma.

Popularity doesn't save you from bad writing so it isn't really a valid argument to try and deny Emma's popularity.

No.1 source: Spiderman

[Tycon]

Instead of trying to purposefully throw Emma under an exploding bus, Rosenberg could’ve just had:

-Logan reunite with Storm and X-23
-Scott reunite with Jean
-Emma reunite with her former-fucking-students

[AnaFrost01]

Emma should've just kept this mindset after AvsX and on:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads...132245-010.jpg

But unfortunately for her character, she's now forever attached to Scott...so even if she moves on now, at some point they'll bring that back again

[myownlittleusername]

But unfortunately for her character, she's now forever attached to Scott...so even if she moves on now, at some point they'll bring that back again

Probably not anytime soon though, which is all that really matter for me. Who knows what the future may bring.

[Snoop Dogg]

Independent Em who talks like a 20th-Century mobster would be an improvement, yes. Give her a hat, too.

[RAWRlrus]

Emma should've just kept this mindset after AvsX and on:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads...132245-010.jpg

But unfortunately for her character, she's now forever attached to Scott...so even if she moves on now, at some point they'll bring that back again

This was my fear when Scott was coming back, that ultimately they'd tie her redemption to him, and just further that IvX BS that somehow she's heroic only because of him.

[Omega Alpha]

But that also leads to poor sales and cancellation. Rinse and repeat the same formula week in week out stopped working

Nah, they managed to sell well just recently under Hickman. Slott is also selling well for some reason, probably the fact they were out for so long.

Her popularity hasn't been in question. Editorials want to have her back as a bad guy is causing the issues.

Exactly. Their goal with Emma, since the beginning of the decade, was make Emma a villain again because MAH CHILDHOOD. In fact, Bendis, despite not being the greatest Emma writer by any means, was the only one saving her from that fate, and now Hickman.

Emma should've just kept this mindset after AvsX and on:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads...132245-010.jpg

But unfortunately for her character, she's now forever attached to Scott...so even if she moves on now, at some point they'll bring that back again

That would be unreasonable her, or anyone, continue to blame Scott for his actions in AvX.

Emma's problem is not Scott, is editors and writers that don't accept characters will grow and evolve over time and want to reset things back to their favorite period. Also, the fact that any time Marvel makes a hero vs hero stuff, one of the sides has to be EVIL and WRONG (and more often than not, the right guy ends up the opposite of who they wanted)

[Fokken]

Emma's problem is not Scott, is editors and writers that don't accept characters will grow and evolve over time and want to reset things back to their favorite period.

Weeeeeelllllllll ------I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm Team Emma For Life, BUT .. this is a "condition" that is common for many fans as well. CBR posters alone have often said on these very boards "Why can't we go back to...." or "I wish they'd make So-N-So like they were back when...."