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    Quote Originally Posted by Maestroneto View Post
    Oh that explains it. He also had her hysterically crying in Necrosha while Cyclops had to drag around.
    You mean dragging her around in the literal sense, right? I think I recall Cyclops actually pulling Emma along by the hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fokken View Post
    Yeah folks are mincing his words. He is simply stating that Cyclops has a unique relationship with Emma. She loves him. She romantically loves(loved) him, so he means something different to her than other relationships. He didn’t say she Disney care about the Generation CX kids or anyone else for that matter. He simply singled out Scott because: significant.
    While there was also the fact, and elephant in the room for Emma, Scott still had a place in his heart for Jean......a fact that Emma probably had to accept early on (like lamenting that she rates lower than Jean, who was dead at the time, while Scott and Logan fought briefly......)......this knowledge/ foresight helped the team find the Phoenix Dome where a fully resurrected Jean was, due to Scott’ memory of, well, a very private moment with Jean (actually the Phoenix Force, but since Jean gained her missing memories from the Phoenix and Madelyn, it counts) a few years after that fight.....

    Really surprised none of the writers during the height of Scott and Emma tried to marry the two, or maybe they knew the backlash the fans would have (“now Scott is marrying the hated Emma, how dare they”).........however, after AvX Scott and Emma where done as a couple.....Emma seems to be sliding into villainy again, or at least until July......

    What would Hickman’s Run mean for Emma.....not sure......she may be a more independent member, spending more time doing her own thing like Wolverine......i do think it’s over with Scott......would Emma fall for someone else? Would Emma get over Scott and eventually find someone else? Would Emma and her rival Jean come to a understanding? Would Emma form a relationship with someone else in the team, hopefully someone who would make senses)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoy View Post
    While there was also the fact, and elephant in the room for Emma, Scott still had a place in his heart for Jean......a fact that Emma probably had to accept early on (like lamenting that she rates lower than Jean, who was dead at the time, while Scott and Logan fought briefly......)......this knowledge/ foresight helped the team find the Phoenix Dome where a fully resurrected Jean was, due to Scott’ memory of, well, a very private moment with Jean (actually the Phoenix Force, but since Jean gained her missing memories from the Phoenix and Madelyn, it counts) a few years after that fight.....

    Really surprised none of the writers during the height of Scott and Emma tried to marry the two, or maybe they knew the backlash the fans would have (“now Scott is marrying the hated Emma, how dare they”).........however, after AvX Scott and Emma where done as a couple.....Emma seems to be sliding into villainy again, or at least until July......

    What would Hickman’s Run mean for Emma.....not sure......she may be a more independent member, spending more time doing her own thing like Wolverine......i do think it’s over with Scott......would Emma fall for someone else? Would Emma get over Scott and eventually find someone else? Would Emma and her rival Jean come to a understanding? Would Emma form a relationship with someone else in the team, hopefully someone who would make senses)
    Mike Carey mentioned that marriage might be the next step. But marvel in general feel marriage hinders relationship. And Emma and Scott aren't those people they're swingers at heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightw1ng View Post
    You mean dragging her around in the literal sense, right? I think I recall Cyclops actually pulling Emma along by the hair.
    No that does not happen, she was in shock while they were being attacked by the helions and later banshee, but was also in her diamond form all along because she was holding "the void"...then she recognizes Blink when she comes and stops wolverine from killing Kevin, but the Wither goes and kills some other new mutant child... when they leave to meet Selene and the x-force says they are going after them she says that they should not only go after her, they should kill her and the Wither too

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Well the attack on Emma in Morrison's run would appear transphobi especially with the use of the cosmetic surgery line.
    You are really reaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhitePhoenix View Post
    You are really reaching.
    I agree, Emma Frost is not a character who is an allegory for transgender people. If anything I would say she is a bisexual character, she had pretty intense feelings for those two women who were vying for White Queen with her, she actually told Kitty that she loved them and that her flippant playing along with Shaw got her two friends killed.

    Lots of women get plastic surgery, having a boob job doesn't make a woman transgender.

    There are lots of things you can find in Emma's back story:
    - abused by her father
    - abused by her sort of coworker/boyfriend Sebastian Shaw
    - female body image issues
    - panic/anxiety attacks (when she sees children dying around her - this one is a big one for Emma, the Helions, Onslaught, Adrienne's attack on the Gen X school, Genosha, the bus incident after decimation, the Terrigen Mist)

    During Onslaught, Emma took the Gen X kids to Canada and was over-protectively hiding them so Onslaught wouldn't find them.
    Emma's secondary mutation triggered when she tried to use her own body to shield the kids in her classroom in Genosha.
    Emma went super crazy when the Terrigen Mist killed Scott, but also it killed a lot of children, and pretty much everyone on Muir Island.

    The one thing I would take from this, Emma has an obsessive need to protect her students, and she will go to any means to protect her students.

    Of course if you peel the layers of any member of the X-Men, you are going to find serious PTSD issues everywhere, the X-Men are truly prime candidates for suffering from PTSD.

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    too bad hickman won't let mutants go to human therapists
    heroine addict we love you come back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    too bad hickman won't let mutants go to human therapists
    What I always say, the X-Men need a therapist at home, like every superhero team, but more than them given the amount of hate and tragedy they're exposed to.

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    Scott went to a therapist and everyone in this thread knows how that ended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glio View Post
    Scott went to a therapist and everyone in this thread knows how that ended.
    Therapy never works if your therapist hates your wife and has the hots for you. It's a bad combination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhitePhoenix View Post
    You are really reaching.
    I'm not Morrisons Emma was a Lord Fanny clone. Who is a trans women

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    Quote Originally Posted by RachelGrey View Post
    I agree, Emma Frost is not a character who is an allegory for transgender people. If anything I would say she is a bisexual character, she had pretty intense feelings for those two women who were vying for White Queen with her, she actually told Kitty that she loved them and that her flippant playing along with Shaw got her two friends killed.

    Lots of women get plastic surgery, having a boob job doesn't make a woman transgender.

    There are lots of things you can find in Emma's back story:
    - abused by her father
    - abused by her sort of coworker/boyfriend Sebastian Shaw
    - female body image issues
    - panic/anxiety attacks (when she sees children dying around her - this one is a big one for Emma, the Helions, Onslaught, Adrienne's attack on the Gen X school, Genosha, the bus incident after decimation, the Terrigen Mist)

    During Onslaught, Emma took the Gen X kids to Canada and was over-protectively hiding them so Onslaught wouldn't find them.
    Emma's secondary mutation triggered when she tried to use her own body to shield the kids in her classroom in Genosha.
    Emma went super crazy when the Terrigen Mist killed Scott, but also it killed a lot of children, and pretty much everyone on Muir Island.

    The one thing I would take from this, Emma has an obsessive need to protect her students, and she will go to any means to protect her students.

    Of course if you peel the layers of any member of the X-Men, you are going to find serious PTSD issues everywhere, the X-Men are truly prime candidates for suffering from PTSD.
    I wouldn't be surprised if she experienced earlier in her life, but Emma strikes me as too competitive and unable to trust other women to be bi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Alpha View Post
    Therapy never works if your therapist hates your wife and has the hots for you. It's a bad combination.
    In fairness, Emma wasn't attracted to Scott until after the therapy sessions started. She was doing it to mess with Jean, not out of any lust for Scott.
    "It is the truest mark of heroism: to give your life aware that those you save will never know."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoEFrost View Post
    In fairness, Emma wasn't attracted to Scott until after the therapy sessions started. She was doing it to mess with Jean, not out of any lust for Scott.
    You're forgetting New X-Men Annual 2001--the one which introduced Xorn--in which she tried to seduce him. That occurred before the "therapy sessions" started.

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    There are a ton of drag houses for runaway black and brown gay and/or trans kids that were led by “house mothers” and “house fathers” but mostly trans women as mothers to the runaways. The love that Emma shows for her students who were mostly kicked out from their family for their physical mutations (especially in Gen X’s case where they intersect race, mutations, and LGBTQ+ allegories a lot more than any of her other classes) really does remind me of drag families and a house mother’s love for her kids. If Emma was revealed as a trans woman, the allegory is certainly there.

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