Emma Frost: White Queen Appreciation 2019

[Fantasy Free Me]

I still think IvX was way worse because she looked outright crazy there.

Like, she didn't look good here, that's a given, but so did everyone else. Even Cyclops, who Uncanny was pretty much all about looked like an incompetent idiot, even by the end.

I have to give it to Emma, like, they didn't have the numbers to fight, I believe her plan kind of made sense considering how things were, they did need time but now that all of the X-Men are back they choosing another path is understandable.

Again, this book was trash, but it was trash for everyone and at least it's done now and Hickman is coming and we know she's an X-Man there.

[Havok83]

Blowing up a pony shouldn't be retconned and it definitely wasn't her worst moment. She was a villain at the time. It was a comic in the mid-80s. It wasn't absurd or character assassination compared to IvX or this.

this was worse than IvX. The event was horrible but Emma was a clever mastermind that played everyone, had a solid strategy and effectively saved mutantkind by doing what the X-men failed to do. Killing the Inhumans is the only part I truly think was over the top and unnecesary. Here? She was too inconsistent and we have the characters clowning and disrespecting her bc she was treated as a joke

I still think IvX was way worse because she looked outright crazy there.

Like, she didn't look good here, that's a given, but so did everyone else. Even Cyclops, who Uncanny was pretty much all about looked like an incompetent idiot, even by the end.

I have to give it to Emma, like, they didn't have the numbers to fight, I believe her plan kind of made sense considering how things were, they did need time but now that all of the X-Men are back they choosing another path is understandable.

Again, this book was trash, but it was trash for everyone and at least it's done now and Hickman is coming and we know she's an X-Man there.

but Rosenberg gave everyone an explanation. If they looked stupid it was bc of Emma and Sinister messing with their heads to do things they normally wouldnt which further reinforces how bad Emma came across. Even Sinister got an out with it being revealed to be a clone, which leaves Emma not redeemed for the bad writing here

[PsychoEFrost]

I still think IvX was way worse because she looked outright crazy there.

Like, she didn't look good here, that's a given, but so did everyone else. Even Cyclops, who Uncanny was pretty much all about looked like an incompetent idiot, even by the end.

I have to give it to Emma, like, they didn't have the numbers to fight, I believe her plan kind of made sense considering how things were, they did need time but now that all of the X-Men are back they choosing another path is understandable.

Again, this book was trash, but it was trash for everyone and at least it's done now and Hickman is coming and we know she's an X-Man there.

I disagree. In IvX, she had a clear motivation, even if she was going about it in a very Magneto-esque Knight Templar way. She was the only one trying to stop mutants from being gassed to death. Even at the end, her motivation of doing it for revenge is understandable, even if you don't like how it is presented.

Here was just her being cowardly, incompetent, and being crapped on by everyone else for no better reason than fuck the fans who liked Scott and Emma.

[The Big G]

I think now is defiantly the time for a Emma solo book

[KangMiRae]

Emma was Scott’s number one fan. Had his back throughout everything. She deserved better

Now she’s stuck drinking wine alone in a high rise while listening to the RED album by Taylor Swift.

[Omega Alpha]

I still think that one day, when someone writes a Marvel Comics: the Untold Story type of book covering this period, someone will reveal an editor or some other bigwig at Marvel got embarrassed he looked stupid when the vast majority of the fans sided with Scott and the X-men in AvX and decided to make it personal, first by going against Scott, and then when someone realized they might need him one day, we might get the movie rights again, etc, using Emma instead.

The alternative is that they actually thought "Let's make Scott become the new Hitler and then kill him off-panel, and we'll figure out the details later" was really the best story they could tell.

[PsychoEFrost]

I still think that one day, when someone writes a Marvel Comics: the Untold Story type of book covering this period, someone will reveal an editor or some other bigwig at Marvel got embarrassed he looked stupid when the vast majority of the fans sided with Scott and the X-men in AvX and decided to make it personal, first by going against Scott, and then when someone realized they might need him one day, we might get the movie rights again, etc, using Emma instead.

The alternative is that they actually thought "Let's make Scott become the new Hitler and then kill him off-panel, and we'll figure out the details later" was really the best story they could tell.

I don't which is worse, the horrible story, the fact that Rosenberg thought he was actually being good or clever with any of this, or the sheer amount of anti-Emma gloating going on right now.

[Fantasy Free Me]

but Rosenberg gave everyone an explanation. If they looked stupid it was bc of Emma and Sinister messing with their heads to do things they normally wouldnt which further reinforces how bad Emma came across. Even Sinister got an out with it being revealed to be a clone, which leaves Emma not redeemed for the bad writing here

I mean, even in these last issues, when Emma was not giving them any more suggestions they all still looked bad. Dani sounded terrible and Scott still sounded and acted like an emo idiot till the end, Emma's not really to blame there.

I disagree. In IvX, she had a clear motivation, even if she was going about it in a very Magneto-esque Knight Templar way. She was the only one trying to stop mutants from being gassed to death. Even at the end, her motivation of doing it for revenge is understandable, even if you don't like how it is presented.

Here was just her being cowardly, incompetent, and being crapped on by everyone else for no better reason than fuck the fans who liked Scott and Emma.

Understandable, everyone has a different opinion. For me IvX was the worst kind of trash, it started decent and I liked that during DoX and IvX Emma was actually trying to save Mutants and did has more of a progress than anyone else, but the crazy ex finale with the Sentinels and Judge Dredd put IvX as the top 1 in my list of abominations so, that's it for me.

Again, this was all trash, but I chose to stay positive because unlike IvX, Emma didn't run away a villain and ended up front a center in the group shot, is going back to being an X-Man and at least she always had good intentions. Her plan was bad, but not really evil.

[RachelGrey]

I don't which is worse, the horrible story, the fact that Rosenberg thought he was actually being good or clever with any of this, or the sheer amount of anti-Emma gloating going on right now.

I know the story really sucked, I am just glad it ended with Emma in the group at the end. Even in this issue, no one actually called Emma horrible or anything, they just decided to go back to being "known" and face everyone. It's weird in a way, that final shot with the X-Men seemed to be going back a bit to Rightclops again which I found kind of ironic. Scott is standing in front of the press with his team, Emma front and centre in a leadership position, and Magneto hovering over the group. It's a strange call back to the Extinction Team, and now Jean is right there in the photo op too!

It's funny that no matter how hard Rosenberg tried, he still couldn't avoid ending this in a way that made it look like we were back to the Extinction Team days. The only difference being is that Scott and Emma aren't in a relationship now.

The run was horrible, but I still felt Emma came out of it as part of the team. Just because Jean and Scott are back together that doesn't mean anything to me in the end because I don't care about Scemma and I never have. I just want Emma on the X-Men or at the least running her own team. At least this run of Uncanny ends with Emma standing with the X-Men as one of them.

I know the run leaves a bad taste behind because it was so horrible, I am just saying at least we got a somewhat positive ending which I personally believe Rosenberg was forced to write. I don't think he wanted it to end like this, I think he was outright told to end his Uncanny run with Magneto and Emma as part of the X-Men.

[Omega Alpha]

I don't which is worse, the horrible story, the fact that Rosenberg thought he was actually being good or clever with any of this, or the sheer amount of anti-Emma gloating going on right now.

What is less shocking is a writer getting excited with his own idea than editorial approving this stuff., and.... Oops, I might accidentally summon JDW again, I'm sorry, I'll stop.

[Havok83]

I know the story really sucked, I am just glad it ended with Emma in the group at the end. Even in this issue, no one actually called Emma horrible or anything

Wolverine called her a moron in this issue

[KangMiRae]

Wolverine called her a moron in this issue

That’s endearing, almost.

[PsychoEFrost]

What is less shocking is a writer getting excited with his own idea than editorial approving this stuff., and.... Oops, I might accidentally summon JDW again, I'm sorry, I'll stop.

No, you're fine. JDW doesn't show up in the Emma thread. The way he wants Emma written, that's not surprising.

[ButterRum]

Let's not forget that ALL THE X-MEN agreed to Emma's plan to erase the memories of mutants from humans' minds, and Emma got ALL the blame at the end, and everyone, including Cyclops, looked good.

"You wanted to erase memories of all of us?"

"We can't go into hiding!!!!"

Why the hell did they all agree to her plan then or am I reading it wrong and they knew all along it wouldn't work and went with it anyway just to humiliate her?

This is like IvX 2.0 -- they all went with Emma's plan and blamed her at the end for it backfiring, even though they totally enabled her for that performance at the end of IvX.

I agree though that this isn't as bad as IvX.

I could appreciate the story of there was any awareness that the X-Men are responsible for Emma's plans, too, and she didn't come off looking like a crazy villain, but I don't see that.

I predicted this last week.. Emma's plan won't work, and she'll be the scapegoat for it, even though they all agreed to it happening.

[RachelGrey]

No, you're fine. JDW doesn't show up in the Emma thread. The way he wants Emma written, that's not surprising.

It's going to be ok! I promise, Hickman will keep Emma as an ongoing member and probably put her on his core comic that he is personally writing in the fall. I expect that she'll get a good characterization in HoX/PoX and at least come out of this event looking a lot more positive going forward.

I was actually reassured about Emma because of the end panel, as much as the entire run sucked, Emma is still standing as a member of the X-Men and is front and centre for the press in the final shot. (although what the heck with all the porn poses)