Emma Frost: White Queen Appreciation 2019

[Gamall]

No Emma fan should want her anywhere near Namor; not only their relationship was established in one of the worst retcons the X-men had (and there's a lot of bad ones), it robbed Emma of her agency and made her a pawn caught in the dick measuring contest between two big alpha males, Shaw and Namor. It was also used as an excuse to break up her and Scott (which is bad in itself, IMO), but also relegated her to the sidelines of the franchise and set her up as the crazy ex we saw in Rosenberg's run.

Not his fault, but writers. He treats her better than Scott, so I don't mind a little affair.

[KangMiRae]

Not his fault, but writers. He treats her better than Scott, so I don't mind a little affair.

Emma and Namor would be cute, but is it really an affair if Scott’s left the relationship? Lol.

[MarvelMaster616]

Emma and Namor would be cute, but is it really an affair if Scott’s left the relationship? Lol.

Affair? No.

But it would still be an interesting relationship to pursue, especially given Emma's tenuous state with the X-men right now.

[KangMiRae]

Affair? No.

But it would still be an interesting relationship to pursue, especially given Emma's tenuous state with the X-men right now.

Emma should be with someone who’s as high and mighty as she is, status-wise, too. Also, I think outside of Scott, most of these guys aren’t part of the X-Men (primarily).

[Omega Alpha]

Not his fault, but writers. He treats her better than Scott, so I don't mind a little affair.

But any relationship between them is based primarily on a terrible story that introduced a retcon that was absolutely disastrous for Emma's character and made no sense whatsoever, and any smart writer should retcon all that stuff, including Emma being Shaw's abused girlfriend (her being a telepath, that is all very easy), or simply pretend it never existed. That Annual is to Emma almost what Sins Past is to Gwen Stacy, and just bring all that stuff up is very bad for her.

Plus, it's just boring- Namor is the kind of person that jerks off to pictures of himself, and him with Emma would just bring the worst traits in her, not to mention their arrogant, snobbish personas are too smilar- would be like if Scott begun to date Agent Brand or Maria Hill, for example. Not to mention Namor is now a bonafide mass murderer and killed billions of people.

(And of course, Scott treating her badly this last issue is also a fault of the writers, and Rosenberg's run is essentially out of continuity anyway).

Also, as Fluffy said in the Scott tread:

Individual #1: *Dating Individual #2*
Individual #2: *Dating Individual #1*
Individual #1: *Feels underappreciated."
Individual #2: *Too busy worrying about the imminent/inevitable US government-sanctioned assault on a mutant stronghold/sanctuary to notice.*
Individual #1: *Unwittingly get high on space cocaine, betrays/burns Individual #2.*
Individual #2: *Unwittingly get high on space cocaine, betrays/burns Individual #1 in kind.*
Individual #1: *Blames individual #2 for everything. Victim complex kicking in.*
Individual #2: *Feels bad about betraying/burning Individual #1. Busts him/her out of jail. Doesn't seek revenge for aforementioned betrayal, but doesn't want to get back together either. Somehow is the sole villain.*
Individual #1: *Doesn't take the hint. Retroactively invent himself/herself as the perfect LI since the passive-aggressive troll/stalker/hot and cold routine didn't work.*
Individual #2: *Gets fed up with Individual #1's behavior less than a literal handful of times over the past seven years. Was in an especially sour mood maybe 30 minutes after his brother got killed thanks to Individual #1's plan kinda backfiring. Somehow is the sole villain.*

Good grief, lol.

Emma mindwiped and manipulated Scott telepathically for weeks; if Rosenberg's last issue has to count against Scott, why does the 11 other ones don't count against her?

[KangMiRae]

If Scott’s relationship starting with Emma from an affair can bloom into something so cute, a relationship with Namor can become cute, too!

That’s what makes the writing fun.

[ExodusCloak]

But any relationship between them is based primarily on a terrible story that introduced a retcon that was absolutely disastrous for Emma's character and made no sense whatsoever, and any smart writer should retcon all that stuff, including Emma being Shaw's abused girlfriend (her being a telepath, that is all very easy), or simply pretend it never existed. That Annual is to Emma almost what Sins Past is to Gwen Stacy, and just bring all that stuff up is very bad for her.

Plus, it's just boring- Namor is the kind of person that jerks off to pictures of himself, and him with Emma would just bring the worst traits in her, not to mention their arrogant, snobbish personas are too smilar- would be like if Scott begun to date Agent Brand or Maria Hill, for example. Not to mention Namor is now a bonafide mass murderer and killed billions of people.

(And of course, Scott treating her badly this last issue is also a fault of the writers, and Rosenberg's run is essentially out of continuity anyway).

Also, as Fluffy said in the Scott tread:



Emma mindwiped and manipulated Scott telepathically for weeks; if Rosenberg's last issue has to count against Scott, why does the 11 other ones don't count against her?

Because Emma didn't come across as spiteful? She showed genuine concern and his life was in danger?

The moment she found out he was a live she sent wolverine to guard him. She went to see him. And she knew she needed to protect him from Callahan. The concern and love is shown there. Scott shows disdain and spite

[KangMiRae]

Because Emma didn't come across as spiteful? She showed genuine concern and his life was in danger?

The moment she found out he was a live she sent wolverine to guard him. She went to see him. And she knew she needed to protect him from Callahan. The concern and love is shown there. Scott shows disdain and spite

That attached picture hurts my soul. So fucking rude, man. SO RUDE.

[ExodusCloak]

That attached picture hurts my soul. So fucking rude, man. SO RUDE.

Now put this one next to it

[Omega Alpha]

Because Emma didn't come across as spiteful? She showed genuine concern and his life was in danger?

The moment she found out he was a live she sent wolverine to guard him. She went to see him. And she knew she needed to protect him from Callahan. The concern and love is shown there. Scott shows disdain

She still mindwiped Scott of her existence (which of course was part of the reason he was so depressed- he thought he spent all those years alone, with no one at his side), and manipulated him- none of that really necessary (she could simply tell Scott she couldn't be with him, offer the reason, work WITH him rather than use him). So, from Scott's perspective, she caused him to be absolutely miserable for no reason.

Mind you, I'm not defending Rosenberg at all- his writing, whether by his own choice or by editorial orders, was simply a **** you to Scott and Emma and everyone that loved their characterization in the 21st century; just that it makes zero sense to blame Scott for his stupid characterization, but give Emma a free pass, specially considering he too had extenuating circumstances.

If Scott’s relationship starting with Emma from an affair can bloom into something so cute, a relationship with Namor can become cute, too!

That’s what makes the writing fun.

It can't, just the existence of the relationship made Emma lesser because all the writing turned her into an independent, strong woman with agency, into an abusive puppet caught in the war between two alpha males. From Shaw's equal and better to his abused girlfriend . Plus, it makes zero sense why wouldn't Namor just turn to his pal Xavier for help. Like I said, it's almost Emma's Sins Past (made worse because some writers insist on picking up on that).

Also, like I said, they are too similar in attitude.

[Gamall]

Emma and Namor would be cute, but is it really an affair if Scott’s left the relationship? Lol.

My bad, wrong choice of words. I meant a little romance, but nothing serious.

[ExodusCloak]

She still mindwiped Scott of her existence (which of course was part of the reason he was so depressed- he thought he spent all those years alone, with no one at his side), and manipulated him- none of that really necessary (she could simply tell Scott she couldn't be with him, offer the reason, work WITH him rather than use him). So, from Scott's perspective, she caused him to be absolutely miserable for no reason.

Mind you, I'm not defending Rosenberg at all- his writing, whether by his own choice or by editorial orders, was simply a **** you to Scott and Emma and everyone that loved their characterization in the 21st century; just that it makes zero sense to blame Scott for his stupid characterization, but give Emma a free pass, specially considering he too had extenuating circumstances.



It can't, just the existence of the relationship made Emma lesser because all the writing turned her into an independent, strong woman with agency, into an abusive puppet caught in the war between two alpha males. From Shaw's equal and better to his abused girlfriend . Plus, it makes zero sense why wouldn't Namor just turn to his pal Xavier for help. Like I said, it's almost Emma's Sins Past (made worse because some writers insist on picking up on that).

Also, like I said, they are too similar in attitude.

She read his mind though. He wasn't going to go after Callahan from the shadows.

Whether it was stupid not to include him from the start or not is moot. She wasn't malicious and he knows that.

[ExodusCloak]

He always asked her to continue his legacy and not let it end this way which is a huge burden to put on someone's shoulders

[Omega Alpha]

She read his mind though. He wasn't going to go after Callahan from the shadows.

If she explained the situation in detail, maybe he would. Scott only went to that rally and cried out for the X-men meeting him because he thought literally everyone was dead. If he knew he had Emma on his side, maybe he would act differently.

Whether it was stupid not to include him from the start or not is moot. She wasn't malicious and he knows that.

He also had Tyke's memories of her coming back to him, all his memories of her returning at once, and he just watched his brother die to save him.

[ExodusCloak]

If she explained the situation in detail, maybe he would. Scott only went to that rally and cried out for the X-men meeting him because he thought literally everyone was dead. If he knew he had Emma on his side, maybe he would act differently.



He also had Tyke's memories of her coming back to him, all his memories of her returning at once, and he just watched his brother die to save him.

It was a stupid plan. She could have gone to Tchalla or Stark and got the bomb removed.

But Scott was taking his anger out on only her. Even before Havok died. And then after he kissed Jean blowing up Cerebra in her hands