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    Default Did Moira Engineered Hope Summers birth?

    Hope Summers, the mutant messiah, could she be one of Moira's experiment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AHRNIHAL View Post
    Hope Summers, the mutant messiah, could she be one of Moira's experiment?
    I think she may have been seeded by the Phoenix rather than anything to do with Moira.

    She could also act as a positive or additive to the negative created when all the mutant powers were removed. That unbelievable concentration of negative energy was addressed in some of the Alpha Flight stories after Decimation. All that energy that drove the mutant abilities couldn't just disappear from reality it had to go somewhere else, so in a sense Wanda unleashed a negative and destructive force on the world by removing all the mutant powers.

    I think to balance that a powerful positive force was created as a counter, Hope. It's not that Hope as a person is a very nice person or anything like that, it's that she is a positive additive force especially in relation to mutants.
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    Wouldn't that make Moria, Hope's dead-beat dad?

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    Hope was birthed by the Phoenix as explained by Unit. So far Moira hasnt been shown to mess with the Force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    Hope was birthed by the Phoenix as explained by Unit. So far Moira hasnt been shown to mess with the Force.

    What issue is that

    Isn’t Rachel the same

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    Anything can be retconned. So far, this hasn't ben mentioned at all, not sure how you connected the two.

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    That would be funny as she could be retconed to have been the one who apprised cable about her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gambitxremy View Post
    What issue is that

    Isn’t Rachel the same
    It was in one of the AvX tie in issues of Uncanny X-Men v2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gambitxremy View Post
    What issue is that

    Isn’t Rachel the same
    No, Rachel is 811 Jean and Scott's daughter. The Phoenix did do something to Rachel the first time she resurrected Rachel after Rachel died fighting Necrom. The Phoenix rebuilt Rachel's DNA from scratch and modified her to be more completely connected to the Phoenix force. Honestly, I think that Rachel is the daughter of the Phoenix now and that is why we occasionally see her showing signs of using the Phoenix Force energy without actually being a host anymore. She is like a baby Phoenix and isn't as powerful as her mother yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RachelGrey View Post
    No, Rachel is 811 Jean and Scott's daughter. The Phoenix did do something to Rachel the first time she resurrected Rachel after Rachel died fighting Necrom. The Phoenix rebuilt Rachel's DNA from scratch and modified her to be more completely connected to the Phoenix force. Honestly, I think that Rachel is the daughter of the Phoenix now and that is why we occasionally see her showing signs of using the Phoenix Force energy without actually being a host anymore. She is like a baby Phoenix and isn't as powerful as her mother yet.
    I believe that was just explained by Morrison that the Phoenix Force will manifest in powerful enough telepaths/telekinetics/people-with-psionic-power. It was more permanent in Jean because it's Jean but it's never really left Rachel. Hell, it manifested in Nate Grey once.

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    Moira is the mother of us all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drexelhand View Post
    I believe that was just explained by Morrison that the Phoenix Force will manifest in powerful enough telepaths/telekinetics/people-with-psionic-power. It was more permanent in Jean because it's Jean but it's never really left Rachel. Hell, it manifested in Nate Grey once.
    Since retconned. The Phoenix Force is its own entity, and it just happens to prefer telepaths.

    Hope's birth was engineered by Jean from the White Hot Room to give mutantkind an out to the Curse of M, since undoing it required both the use of Chaos magic, and the power needed to cast a spell of that universal scale. Hope was created as the only one capable of this, since her ability allowed her to use Wanda's powers while hosting the Phoenix, a feat no one else can do since Chaos magic injures the Phoenix.
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    Anything is possible now.
    Also Moira and Xavier are doing what sinister has done with the summers bloodline

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    I would say no. House of X 2 showed us that the phoenix 5 happened in life 4, presumably as a climax to decimation and the messiah stories. So something similar happened. Once Xavier had the resurrection, They may have realized they needed AvX to play out similar to have Hope, Goldballs and tempus created. Would also explain why Moira didnt interfere .

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    Moira is the ultimate cheatcode.

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