Mr & Mrs X: Gambit and Rogue Appreciation 2019

[mikeb]

this made no sense, what are you even talking about? is carol supposed to just lay down, be sucked dry again and be happy about it?

No. Carol was supposed to find a way to make sure neither one of them ended up being hurt and take down the bad guy.

[Cmbmool]

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Looking at Carol's attitude towards Rogue's involuntary situation seems extremely selfish. The only thing she seems to care about is her own self-preservation. Does not Carol care that maybe Rogue may not want to be stuck with the Yankee Witch again? Carol, once again, is blinded by her own ego and insecurity. So much for the selfless superhero. Kelly has to know about Rogue's guilt, remorse, and frustration over what happened back in the 1980s. The other thing that Claremont emphasized back in the 1980s is what happened between Rogue and Carol nearly 40 years was an ACCIDENT. What Carol had Rogue do here was no accident. What Carol has Rogue doing here is strikingly similar to what the Carol persona had Rogue do when she was at Genosha. (Kelly sure is infactuated with Rogue in Genosha.) We all know how that ended, don't we? Even though it took 2 years to come to its conclusion. (Where is Magneto when you REALLY need him? ) At the end (I believe with Rogue's evolved powers she will be able to give back Carol's entire self back to Carol's body.) I think Carol will end up with a profound attitude change about why what took place. I think this experience will give her food for thought.

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Here's hoping as I have always thought that in a strange way...ROGUE's life became one for the Better while Carol's life became more of a mess. Not to say that Rogue has her share of messes in her life, but it just that currently Rogue is having a better life than Carol in more ways than one. One has to wonder what it would be like if they were both on the same team for once ?

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[Daedra]

No. Carol was supposed to find a way to make sure neither one of them ended up being hurt and take down the bad guy.

was she now? all this just few seconds away from a comatose sleep? why not cure the blind and raise the dead while performing this supposed miracle?

[myownlittleusername]

was she now? all this just few seconds away from a comatose sleep? why not cure the blinds and raise the dead while performing this supposed miracle?

Carol is Marvel's premiere hero, if she can't manage a little thing like that, what use is she really?

[Fokken]

Rogue fans with a lack of empathy? Smh

[mikeb]

As far as what happened between Rogue and Carol so long ago, the elephant in the room people seem to want to ignore is what was Carol's emotional and mental state at the time of the encounter, especially when it pretty much came right after that ugly Marcus event. Any response to Rogue's attack was going to handicapped by Carol's emotional and mental state at the time. We don't know what Carol's mental and emotional state at the time because there is no lead up to the encounter from Carol's point of view. All the encounters are from primarily Rogue's point of view.

[rogueisbae]

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Looking at Carol's attitude towards Rogue's involuntary situation seems extremely selfish. The only thing she seems to care about is her own self-preservation. Does not Carol care that maybe Rogue may not want to be stuck with the Yankee Witch again? Carol, once again, is blinded by her own ego and insecurity. So much for the selfless superhero. Kelly has to know about Rogue's guilt, remorse, and frustration over what happened back in the 1980s. The other thing that Claremont emphasized back in the 1980s is what happened between Rogue and Carol nearly 40 years was an ACCIDENT. What Carol had Rogue do here was no accident. What Carol has Rogue doing here is strikingly similar to what the Carol persona had Rogue do when she was at Genosha. (Kelly sure is infactuated with Rogue in Genosha.) We all know how that ended, don't we? Even though it took 2 years to come to its conclusion. (Where is Magneto when you REALLY need him? ) At the end (I believe with Rogue's evolved powers she will be able to give back Carol's entire self back to Carol's body.) I think Carol will end up with a profound attitude change about why what took place. I think this experience will give her food for thought.

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98% of your posts here are dedicated to Carol in some capacity. We get it, you hate her.

[rogueisbae]

THANK YOU Daedra.
I agree. There is some very slanted bias going on here and I for one think Kelly wrote these scenes VERY considerately. I love Rogue just as much as the next mega fan but to dismiss Carol's fear/trauma because Rogue feels guilt or remorse or frustration(???) Carol's life was stolen. Regardless of whether Rogue is repentant, Carol's life was STOLEN. Regardless of whether Rogue is being controlled and its not her fault -- CAROL'S LIFE WAS STOLEN. Accidental or not, to be presented with the possibility of being trapped inside someone else AGAIN? That is some heavy, heavy, ****.
This is basically the equivalent of Carol being held underwater by Rogue, --again whether intentional or not -- and arguing that Carol SHOULDN'T be fighting, tooth and nail, pulling that hair, clawing that face, punching those ribs -- WHATEVER IT TAKES -- to NOT. BE. DROWNED.

Self preservation? Uh....absolutely.
And what does she do in the end? For the greater good? SURRENDERS. SACRIFICES. SHE ALLOWS IT.

There history is tense AF. And it should be. On both sides. And Kelly nailed that imho.
And I'm not even that big a fan of Carol, comparatively. <shrug>

THIS. Thank you.

And I don’t even like comic Carol one bit.

[PeachFlavoredXanax]

THANK YOU Daedra.
I agree. There is some very slanted bias going on here and I for one think Kelly wrote these scenes VERY considerately. I love Rogue just as much as the next mega fan but to dismiss Carol's fear/trauma because Rogue feels guilt or remorse or frustration(???) Carol's life was stolen. Regardless of whether Rogue is repentant, Carol's life was STOLEN. Regardless of whether Rogue is being controlled and its not her fault -- CAROL'S LIFE WAS STOLEN. Accidental or not, to be presented with the possibility of being trapped inside someone else AGAIN? That is some heavy, heavy, ****.
This is basically the equivalent of Carol being held underwater by Rogue, --again whether intentional or not -- and arguing that Carol SHOULDN'T be fighting, tooth and nail, pulling that hair, clawing that face, punching those ribs -- WHATEVER IT TAKES -- to NOT. BE. DROWNED.

Self preservation? Uh....absolutely.
And what does she do in the end? For the greater good? SURRENDERS. SACRIFICES. SHE ALLOWS IT.

There history is tense AF. And it should be. On both sides. And Kelly nailed that imho.
And I'm not even that big a fan of Carol, comparatively. <shrug>

This is perfection. Thank you Fokken for saying this.

[AppleJ]

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Was that kind of really depressing as Rogue fan for anyone else? I mean don't get me wrong...I still really liked it and it was well written, my heart just completely broke for her. But while obviously a lot of the focus was on Carol...since it is her book and she is reliving her nightmare it was not a good time for Rogue...As a reader, going from a Rogue who wants everything to this version is rough to see. Two different stories but still so sad. Also, while Carol is certainly reliving her trauma, so is Rogue. Not only is she stuck in the collar which she already has issues with, she allows Carol to take over her body which has its own negative memories. Plus, we have no idea how long she has been captured and stuck with this creep while he waited for Carol to "fall into his trap." And I'm here for Rogue so I'm also obviously hyperaware of her part in this story, but since it is Carol's story and she got her big moment and we didn't quite "get" that with Rogue, it just left me feeling really emotional. Not to mention that seeing someone who is a newlywed being desperate enough in a situation to tell Carol to kill her...I just wanted to start crying! Again, that isn't a criticism, I think it just shows how desperate the situation is (and is also that Remy is kind of right that Rogue SOMETIMES just takes the hit, acts like the boss, and doesn't consider others. It's almost like he knows her. Anyway, I'm feeling Emo. How long until MMX 10?!?! AND hoping for a mention of the marriage in issue 5!

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I agree, it really was VERY emotional! And for both characters. It was tough, as a Rogue fan, to see her from more of a villainous standpoint and also to see her taken back through all this trauma. But considering it's Carol's book and POV, her portrayal was pretty fair and reasonable. I'm kind of hopeful that in taking them to this very desperate and low point it will push toward a major payoff where maybe we see a more thorough reconciliation between them and some character growth as a result.

I am really curious as to when after #10 this takes place. Like RIGHT after 10 or just vaguely, nebulously down the road after 10? And clearly just because she and Remy are married doesn't mean they are joined at the hip and he may have been off elsewhere at the time she was captured, but I do wonder does he know she's missing?

I would love a Rogue and Carol heart-to-heart if the action takes a long enough pause.

Loved the art though, even though the colors are very muted. It fits with the tone.

[RachelGrey]

I think Carol knew she was going to lose to Rogue. With Rogue's ability not restricted to touch there was pretty much no way for Carol to win except to kill Rogue which she didn't want to do. Her solution was that if the collar was synced to Rogue's mental patterns it might not be synced to hers so if they swap personalities then Carol could break the collar.

I am not sure how this is going to go though since at the end of the issue Rogue/Carol finds out that Nuclear Man layed a trap for the resistance and planted a Nuclear Bomb on site so that the resistance would fall during the attack.

Regardless of all that, I think they are going to end this story with Rogue and Carol putting things behind them. They went out of their way to show that Rogue was emotionally distraught over the fact that she was being forced by the collar to hurt Carol. People are thinking Carol is selfish, I think Carol made a decision that she didn't want to kill Rogue under any circumstances so Carol did the only thing she could think of, Carol surrendered to the transfer in the hopes that she could help Rogue get free of the collar in the end.

Carol and Rogue are both facing their greatest fears in this comic. Carol facing that she had to let her mind be taken by Rogue again, and Rogue facing that she was going to have Carol in her head again. I don't think it's going to end like this though, I think with Rogue's growing control of her powers she is going to be able to push Carol's power and memories back into Carol's body at the end of this. I think they are both going to come out of this stronger. This might even be a good change going forward because it's possible that with all the fall relaunches and changes that maybe Carol asks Rogue to join the Avengers.

[RachelGrey]

I agree, it really was VERY emotional! And for both characters. It was tough, as a Rogue fan, to see her from more of a villainous standpoint and also to see her taken back through all this trauma. But considering it's Carol's book and POV, her portrayal was pretty fair and reasonable. I'm kind of hopeful that in taking them to this very desperate and low point it will push toward a major payoff where maybe we see a more thorough reconciliation between them and some character growth as a result.

I am really curious as to when after #10 this takes place. Like RIGHT after 10 or just vaguely, nebulously down the road after 10? And clearly just because she and Remy are married doesn't mean they are joined at the hip and he may have been off elsewhere at the time she was captured, but I do wonder does he know she's missing?

I would love a Rogue and Carol heart-to-heart if the action takes a long enough pause.

Loved the art though, even though the colors are very muted. It fits with the tone.

I don't think Men are able to pass through the barrier around Manhattan, only women can go inside. Rogue may have initially entered the barrier to help but just like everyone else she kind of got whammied when she went inside and obviously ended up with a control collar around her neck.

[PeachFlavoredXanax]

I am really curious as to when after #10 this takes place. Like RIGHT after 10 or just vaguely, nebulously down the road after 10? And clearly just because she and Remy are married doesn't mean they are joined at the hip and he may have been off elsewhere at the time she was captured, but I do wonder does he know she's missing?

This timeline will be the death of us. It’s like X-Men Red has to all literally take place after they got married (Kurt’s beard as the marker of time placement - he grows it after Rachel breaks up with him which happens after the wedding) but before they returned from their honeymoon (because Gambit has no wedding ring, which he didn’t start wearing until towards the end of their space honeymoon). So basically this timeline states that he married Rogue and decides to go solo to **** with a bunch of alt-right assholes in NOLA, hang out with Jean & co under the sea and blow up a floating ship. Then meets back up with Rogue to leave for space.

[anyajenkins]

Or Kurt grew a beard briefly, and broke up with Rachel, off panel, before the wedding and then got back together and shaved.

About the carol issue, it was sad that they were stuck in the situation, but carol did what she could and it ultimately worked.

[AppleJ]

LOL Dear Marvel, could we please request a timeline chart for all the books of 2018-19? Maybe this is my next X-Men Monday question for JDW.

My assumption is that Red is pre-GOLD #30. I can forgive the Kurt beard as a time marker. Maybe he grows hair fast and just has always trimmed it?

But now, if Remy had gone to Roosevelt Island with Rogue and couldn't cross the barrier, he would have been seen on the outside trying to get in.