Ororo Munroe: Storm Appreciation 2019

[Havok83]

Jane Foster Thor has reacted to things a lot faster and she got the **** Kicked out of her by Batroc. Soooo....

Jane got schooled in an issue of Gwenpool. That character and book was meant to be comedy. Maraurders isnt supposed to be superhero parody

[Wind Rider]

That is a very interesting take. Although, I don't exactly agree with your whole statement. But I will say Calling Duggan-Guggan is really a Big Reach considering there style of writing is largely different. And that Duggan has done better work than Guggs. This whole thing about people having an issue of Batroc beating Storm, Iceman, Pyro IMO overreacting. With my conversation with Duggan via twitter over future portrayal of Storm in the coming issues and myself being a fan of Duggan's writing I don't see it as that big of an issue.

I will say I don't understand your reasoning, however you made some points that I can say I understand where your coming from.

Understood. My main point with the Guggenheim comparison, same as with Jason Aaron when he spoke about Storm in interviews - they talk a good game but they never delivered. I’m just going by receipts.

I’m also not trippin’ too hard about Batroc. I knew they would freeze dry or french fry his ass in an instant. With respect to Storm I don’t think the kick was a big deal. Its the way he chose to portray the scene for the sake of comedic effect at their expense that bugged me. He isn’t doing that to Kitty and its clear he won’t just write down his cast for the sake of plot, which is bad enough, he’ll do it for the sake of what he thinks is entertaining. Just not a credible combo coming out the gate. But I respect your support of him and that you feel I am jumping the gun a bit. I’d rather you be right than me seeing what I’m seeing. I was expecting a much more serious tone and Kitty’s behavior is something I’d see Storm being concerned about if she’s supporting Kitty as a leader.

[butterflykyss]

Jane Foster Thor has reacted to things a lot faster and she got the **** Kicked out of her by Batroc. Soooo....

even if ororo was on the ground her h2h skills as trained by tchalla, Logan, gambit, the Dora Milaje all should have made her equipped to not be hit. but she was in the air. he would have to jump across a great a distance to do that. was thor woman also in the air? when batroc hit her?

[stormphoenix]

Jane got schooled in an issue of Gwenpool. That character and book was meant to be comedy. Maraurders isnt supposed to be superhero parody

I hear you, but let's be real Marauders is both Serious and Comedy.

[Wind Rider]

That time Storm let it be known who the f--k she is

*sighs* Good times. I think Guggan can learn some lessons from papa CC’s XXM run. That whole cast was full of flawed badasses. And Larocca clearly knows how to handle lighting so weren’t confused between Storm and Emma !

[butterflykyss]

Kyss Outside of what little weÂ’ve received from Hickman and since her Pak solo I canÂ’t recall an X-writer thatÂ’s been invested in a black character, let alone Marvel most arguably prolific black and most popular female. I will give a nod to Liu (sheÂ’s more Iceman though) and Willow Wilson when it came to their 4 second tenure on X-Men. The main writers - Aaron, Lemire, Bunn, Bendis, & even Latour (who I think did slightly better), and the nightmare that was Guggs were not invested in Storm. So for me...weÂ’re still in the same boat but just with a better lead writer (Hickman) at the helm. X-Force/X-Men has these elements that are missing in Marauders:

- Challenges equal to the cast - I like the powerful and interesting life forms on Arrako. You can immediately sense the change in the life dynamic for Krakoan mutants with new addition to the island. X-Force had opponents who clearly can’t beat the X-Men flat out but... they are smart, cunning and tactical. They planned a successful invasion massacre that caught our X-Men by surprise and succeeded in “killing” Xavier. No need to write down the cast to make them a threat. Their planning and strategic thinking made that clear. It makes it clear why they would be a credible threat/challenge to the X-Force crew. Now it was a little lighter on the Jean Grey side but I felt her presence and strength with what we got and she was as equally imposing as Wolverine, Beast, or Domino.

- The Cast Felt Like Equals - I want more Jean but I didnÂ’t feel like she needed other cast members to make her feel relevant or impactful

HereÂ’s my issues thus far w/ Marauders:

- For DugganÂ’s alleged talent for team dynamics...why donÂ’t we see it? For those reading are you going to have to pay $25-$35 before we even see a significant role/purpose/panel time for Storm? Does a 3-5 month rotation of cast focus = talented at writing team books? I mean from what I read the cast get along in a way thatÂ’s familial from my 2 min of reading, but that doesnÂ’t = the talent I am seeing in X-Men or X-Force (or even New Mutants- I liked the first issue).

- All the drinking and joking (from what I briefly gleaned) is seems like the focus of this book vs the intrigue and intensity of the other books mentioned. I am all for comedy but after the seriousness of HoX/PoX the clubbing, drinking and tattoos doesnÂ’t make the book feel...serious, intense or as significant as it should.

- GugganÂ’s potrayal of Batroc has him as a challenge that is clearly no match for this cast, let alone two omega mutants. Now if he were to put the team in a power dampening energy field where Bobby and Pyro would be more vulnerable, or skilled fighters would be challenged going against a more skilled fighter then that would make sense. But it felt like Storm and Bobby are written down to make Batroc a challenge for the sake of funny moments/dialogue, and then Guggan Kitty swoops in and solves the issue....?

- Storm agrees to stay and support Kitty for this supposed important role of helping save endangered mutants/transporting Krakoan pharmaceuticals but....thereÂ’s time to club, drink, drink some more, and get tattoos...and Storm is perfectly OK with this vs being the experienced mission focused/business before pleasure style leader...Ok lol. Not here for Gold 2.0.

first let me say dre you call duggan guggan on purpose because if you are that's hilarious lololol.

why do you think we havent seen any writers take any interest in black characters primarily the more famous one in their catalog ?

I think xfactor is good but I do think there is a bit more that could be done to spread the love around the cast. I most certainly miss the days when the cast on a team wasnt cycled between books and all the characters on a team got a bit of action within each issue. where is Claremont when you need him.


and agreed to all your points about gold 2.0. I still cant understand how even with them knowing Xavier could be resurrected they went and partied like nothing had happened. it's just so weird.

[butterflykyss]

That time Storm let it be known who the f--k she is

yes I need more of this in my life. too bad we are getting this instead:

[stormphoenix]

even if ororo was on the ground her h2h skills as trained by tchalla, Logan, gambit, the Dora Milaje all should have made her equipped to not be hit. but she was in the air. he would have to jump across a great a distance to do that. was thor woman also in the air? when batroc hit her?

Batroc would beat Storm in H2H no question asked. It's one thing to be trained by T'Challa, Gambit and Wolverine and fight the Dora Milaje. But it's another thing to have beaten Spider-Man, Iron Fist, Captain Americak Marvel's Top H2H fighters. Let's be real here if they were to actually fight H2H Storm would lose.

We don't know how high Storm is flying she could be hovering 5ft-10ft off the ground which isn't hard for Batroc to jump. He jumped from a Floating Casino to the Top of the Empire State building.

I'm not siding with Batroc, but i'm trying to get you guys to understand how little issue this really is.....

[stormphoenix]

Where catching up to Scott Summers Respect Thread !! LOL.

[butterflykyss]

Batroc would beat Storm in H2H no question asked. It's one thing to be trained by T'Challa, Gambit and Wolverine and fight the Dora Milaje. But it's another thing to have beaten Spider-Man, Iron Fist, Captain Americak Marvel's Top H2H fighters. Let's be real here if they were to actually fight H2H Storm would lose.

We don't know how high Storm is flying she could be hovering 5ft-10ft off the ground which isn't hard for Batroc to jump. He jumped from a Floating Casino to the Top of the Empire State building.

I'm not siding with Batroc, but i'm trying to get you guys to understand how little issue this really is.....

I wasnt making the case she would win. I was making the case if she was just standing on the ground she wouldnt be so slow to be tagged without making some sort of counter. However, she was just standing on the ground she was in the air. How would batrog be fast enough to tag her with a drop kick while she was flying?


I dont care that he tagged all the most powerful mutants. I'm glad actually it wasnt just storm. what I'm more put off by is that kitty was FREAKING DRUNK and was able to handle herself effortless while the others (who were sober) couldnt pull in one good hit, with the exception of pyro biting his arm.

[stormphoenix]

I wasnt making the case she would win. I was making the case if she was just standing on the ground she wouldnt be so slow to be tagged without making some sort of counter. However, she was just standing on the ground she was in the air. How would batrog be fast enough to tag her with a drop kick while she was flying?


I dont care that he tagged all the most powerful mutants. I'm glad actually it wasnt just storm. what I'm more put off by is that kitty was FREAKING DRUNK and was able to handle herself effortless while the others (who were sober) couldnt pull in one good hit, with the exception of pyro biting his arm.

I forgot what I was going to say to you DAMN IT....

Whatever I give up.......

[butterflykyss]

I forgot what I was going to say to you DAMN IT....

Whatever I give up.......

lololol you are too young to be forgetting what you were going to say.


how about this do you have a scan of the fight between batroc and thor woman?

[Wind Rider]

I think we agree that while Storm is skilled she isn’t winning against Batroc, and I don’t think that’s the point. The instance is just an example to illustrate one of the takeaway/turn off points with respect to the writer’s approach.

That being said I think the bigger question is....what is about these x-writers over the years that has turned you off of their books/the way they write Storm in a story? I mentioned a few of mine in my bigger post on the previous page. What draws you in? What do you think makes for an idea story that includes Storm?

Btw - X-Force preview looks good!

[stormphoenix]

lololol you are too young to be forgetting what you were going to say.


how about this do you have a scan of the fight between batroc and thor woman?

I do, but it's not worth it.

Let's talk about something else..

[butterflykyss]

I think we agree that while Storm is skilled she isn’t winning against Batroc, and I don’t think that’s the point. The instance is just an example to illustrate one of the takeaway/turn off points with respect to the writer’s approach.

That being said I think the bigger question is....what is about these x-writers over the years that has turned you off of their books/the way they write Storm in a story? I mentioned a few of mine in my bigger post on the previous page. What draws you in? What do you think makes for an idea story that includes Storm?

Btw - X-Force preview looks good!

exactly!!!

and honestly everything the main xbooks have given us since the wedding ended has been a big disappointment with the exception of her solo. from her being headmistress, to ivx mostly none of it was executed in a manner that reminded me of why I fell in love with the character. we had a few gems: willow Wilson and Brian wood, also storm on scarlett spider and in the Wolverines, gods xmen in wolverine and the xmen. however there are way many more stories that were just bad to awful the worst being ivx. the fact she couldnt do anything against a cloud was just plain lazy.