So much great Storm discussion today!! Thanks everyone for your thoughts here and the varying perspectives in the regard. That said...
Yardin's Storm is always fierce, powerful, and divine looking. I wish we could see more of his Storm on the interiors.
I seriously dont get this. I saw a little of what was happening in the omega thread and I saw some of the same stuff I always see. But what I dont get is the point about Storm being overrated powerwise. Even if you dont like her I'm not sure how anyone could argue against her being a powerhouse. I most certainly didnt get how the thread devolved into Rogue vs Storm. Or Magneto vs Storm or Jean vs. Storm. What I personally think is that FOR YEARS storm fans were called fanboys for calling Storm a goddess and an omega mutant. These reactions of clear trolling is just those posters not being able to eat crow and accepting they were wrong.
agreed and it is unfortunate.
I agree wholeheartedly with your points made here.
I think a lot of why users get mad is the direct result of Matt Fraction writing Cyclops as the figurehead of mutantkind. All other mutants male and female alike were regulated to foot soldiers or in the case of Storm was rarely shown. Fast forward it to now, the idea that anyone can be leader in the presence of cyclops will seem forced because of these previous works. We will see how Hickman will manage the leadership on krakoa but with the last hox issue he was able to showcase several strong personalities shining. I'm confident he will be able to do what other writers were not able to xo before him.
you raise a lot of great questions but I think after tomorrow it will really get the discussions going on some of the points you've made. I've been most curious about ororos place as well. I would hope whatever role she plays she acts as the balance that doesnt allow for the mutants to turn or take moves towards more dark paths l.
I also agree with your points on why she isnt a Mary sue. her losing her powers I think was just one testament as to why this wouldnt apply.
I see it yesterday. I'm curious to see what direction this is going to take with him being back in the role of king.
I'm still under the impression krakoa is somehow siphoning the energy from the mutants, but more specifically the omegas.
ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!
oh this cover is divine. I cannot recall the last time I've seen her revel in the elements. this is simply marvelous!!
lololol he trying it huh?? you remember when her enjoying rain in the nude was the norm? it's really nice to see this depicted again even if it was just a cover.
ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!
Oh come on give Maruaders a chance.
It's what I'm d doing to all the new books.
I know the whole Kitty leading thing is off putting.
But iv have strong felling she'll be the wolverine of the team, so plenty of good scene, either verbal or splash page
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With all these Mutant popping up on the island.
I ask has anyone seen a Morlock so far through the HoX PoXevent. If so call them out.
Many have tried and failed to replicate the greatness of this cover. Yardin shall remain unmatched in his devotion to the All-Goddess.
This is gorgeous. I love the sense of bliss that she feels in the midst of what others would consider chaos.
I listened to an interesting YouTube vid on Mary Sues. Here is a bit of the transcript and a link: https://youtu.be/H2-GIY9RTqU
A story with the Sue as its core is written as though the Sue is at the center of the universe.
We're supposed to accept at face value that they're the most interesting, most important character in the story,
because that's the starting point of their character.
Not their backstory, not their motivations, just how invested we're supposed to be.
And I think, fundamentally, that's what makes a Sue, a Sue.
It's not something that exists on the level of a character trait, but on the story level;
it's how the plot flows around them.
The error is that the author starts in the premise that this character is by default the best character; not the most paragon, not the most powerful, but the best,
the one everyone sees themselves in; or at the very least, the one everyone wants to pay attention to.
And that's the problem. When you start from that premise, you forget to write the character in a way that draws us in. When you start with the idea that of course the character is the center of attention, we, the audience won't ever actually internalize why they should be the center of attention.
It's writing with a blind spot. And that blind spot isn't going to be filled - and that pulls us out of the story. And this is the problem the transcends fanfic and starts to enter the world of original writing. Any time the writer is too busy squeeing over a character to establish why we should care about them, it ends up feeling a little too self-congratulatory.
But the problem doesn't stop there - the Mary Sue distorts the world around them, changing the way characters act and reality works to put the focus on them.
The Mary Sue is the center of attention at the expense of basically everything else. And this isn't always positive in-story.
The Sympathetic-Sue archetype is the character who the universe conspires to make miserable, just like Gen. 1 Mary Sue, the character the universe conspires to make look good. The Mary Sue, in any of her forms, is the center of everything, and that's not really going to be a compelling read--no matter how interesting her character is. And it's usually not that interesting.
It takes more than a cartoonishly traumatic backstory and a laundry list of positive traits to make a character compelling. Now, to be clear: there are stories with a character at their center where the character isn't a Mary Sue. The distinction is that a Mary Sue warps the way the world works around them. Glorifying the Sue is prioritized over maintaining the established characterizations or the straight-up rules of reality.
A hero might be at the center of the story, but they won't be the only important character. Luke might be the one blowing up the Death Star and saving the day, but Hans is the one overcoming his personal demons and swooping in to save the kid's life at the last second, and Leia is the one sacrificing everything to get the plans to the rebellion in the first place. And we can't forget that the main drama in the story is caused by the presence of an equally fascinating villain to oppose our main trio. And that's the main false-positive here. There's a difference between being the hero of a story, and being the center of the universe.
A Mary Sue's not a character, they're an artifact of an overly centralized story. And as a result, a Mary Sue will basically never have a good supporting cast.
You can't have compelling characters and side stories in a world that's all about Mary Sue. And that's what Mary Sue is--not just the center of the universe, but the only real thing in the universe. Everything has to lead back to the Sue. In any situation where that's not true, you don't have a Mary Sue!
You might have an overpowered character or a character you don't like, but the Sue-ness is built on the fact that the story is sacrificed to make the character look good. A character in a good, well-rounded story where there's focus put on other characters and character interactions that don't center on them can't be a Mary Sue.
ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4587938]thank you for this explanation. it was very detailed and informative. I cant recall a time storm was written like this any book recently including black panther.
I agree. Storm doesn't fit this characterization. The YouTuber did a nice job of giving the 1974 origin of the Mary Sue character created for a Star trek fanfic. That helped to clarify how the Mary Sue trope began.
What happened to Storm Phoenix? Why'd they get banned?
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ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!