Originally Posted by
Blind Wedjat
This might be because I'm also a big MCU fan as well as being a BP fan, but I don't personally get it when people express disappointment in the "typical run of the mill Marvel stuff." I'm not saying every movie has to be the exact same, but superhero movies really are a genre of their own. Meaning that there are things to 'expect' in terms of these movies. Marvel largely know this, and that's why their films are nothing like a Logan, Watchmen, TDK etc.
There's nothing wrong with those movies but to me, the reason why I have respect for Black Panther more than those films is because it's unashamed of it's genre and has all the things you expect from it, but it is deeper and more thought provoking that most of these films. The fact that so many thinkpieces were written on the film, giving different opinions on what the film is about/trying to say like it being a critique on Trump's administration, Obama's administration, the Civil Rights era, colonialism & anti-colonialism, and more WITHOUT giving a definitive typical answer to most of these discussions (i.e., "Racism is Bad" in BlacKkKlansman and Green Book) is in itself an ACHIEVEMENT in storytelling, writing, directing for the genre AND for film.
Movies like Watchmen, Logan and TDK exist (as quality as they are) because--especially for Logan--certain filmmakers believe there's something wrong with the genre as it is, feel ashamed of the things that make superhero fiction works what they are, decide to do away with all of those things and then feel as though their films are better than the rest just because of that. Marvel Studios will never work with a director who thinks their ideas or style is automatically better than the genre itself or better than their house style (hence the recent non-troversy with the female director who was in talks to do Black Widow). Clearly Coogler doesn't think that way since he was signed on and instead of completely rearranging the formula, he showed what it is capable of.
People have issues with BP's nomination because it doesn't feel like what to typically expect from a Best Picture nomination, but feel Logan and TDK deserved it more because they 'look' like and are directed like those types of films (hence TDK feeling like a crime drama, Logan feeling like a western, but BP feeling like a superhero movie). The funny and sad thing is, this is the exact same kind of art-house snobbery that kept TDK and other superhero movies away from major nominations (aside from technical awards), yet it's being perpetuated by the fans of said snubbed films. You can't have it both ways, making films that ass kiss the critics and complain when the elitists look down on the genre, and then complain when one of your own film breaks the barrier.
BP2 just needs to be a polished up sequel and an even better film. It's not as if he showed he was bad at writing characters, worldbuilding, tackling tough themes, directing actors, basic storytelling and all that. All the weaker stuff from the first film is really just from a guy like him doing this for the first time (and probably not given the best teams/enough time).