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    Quote Originally Posted by chief12d View Post
    I don’t think that’s up for debate. Even if his solo was lighting up the charts, T’Challa can’t possibly anchor a team book made of D-listers like Gorilla Man and Broo. The market’s not built for a cast like that, especially when there’s other “black ops” books to compete with like Strikeforce and Savage Avengers.

    I think Marvel should’ve included more legit super spies (like Winter Soldier and Black Widow) to dig into the post-Secret Empire espionage/intelligence landscape. Add in a bit more Wakandan agents and this book would’ve been perfect for me. But it’s still been great so far and I’m happy to see BP is taking charge on missions and active with the team.
    Hey Broo is amazing, read Wolverine & The X-Men for proof.

    But it would be amazing if they were able to recruit the Sentry on the team, having a big hitter on the team that may be a bit unreliable can really ratchet up the tension

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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    I have to give credit to Stormphoenix for this find. In the latest issue of Agents of Wakanda Tchalla uses Ororo's name for his password to establish communication with his ship. This is soooooooo freaking cute:





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    It's cool that he mentioned her, but "Ororo" is not a very secure password for Black Panther to use. Supposing one of his enemies got a hold of his ship, they could probably very easily guess that password.
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    Wakanda.

    The Bashenga First National Bank.

    Teller: "Welcome King T'challa how may I be of service?"

    King T'challa: "I'm here to close out my account."

    Teller: "Okay and how would you like your 400 trillion dollars?"

    King T'challa: "Twenties, fifties and hundreds."

    Teller: "Please input your voice recognition password."

    King T'challa: "Ororo."

    Teller: "Password accepted just place your thumbprint right there and you are good to go."

    King T'challa: "Thanks, load it all into the brinks truck and I'll be on my way."

    Later that day...

    King T'challa: "Somebody cleaned out my account!"

    Princess Shuri: "What was your password?"

    King T'challa: "Ororo."

    Princess Shuri: "DUH!!!"

    Meanwhile at Xavier's School of Gifted Students.

    Ororo: "You're gonna get me into a whole lot of trouble... Just give the money back!"

    Mystique: "I'm just trying to make a point that your man is stupid I walked right past security and gave the password and cashed out in less than five minutes... Three steps ahead of his friends my @$$!"

    Cyclops: "Hey, who left that Wakandan brinks truck in my parking space?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    I'm fine with Tchaka and Wakanda having an #### the rest of the world outlook. Hickman went out of his way to highlight this mentality with the previous BP. Tchalla being a super hero is a different matter. An Avengers chairman with a #### the rest of the world outlook doesn't work. And obviously he doesn't.

    I DO think the rest of the world gets a pass for ignoring Thanos genocide of Wakanda in TRO though. Thanos was keeping the rest of the universe (which includes Wakanda) from being destroyed in incursions. Sucky situation, but what can ya do.
    Personally, the rest of the world turning a blind eye to the genocide of Wakanda by Thanos was when I figured the general Marvel Universe was just about beyond hope of redemption, and the subtext was pretty ugly, too. By my interpretation, it wasn't just about "the greater good" of the rest of the world, it was more so using Thanos as a spearhead of spite and revenge against the one African country that had never succumbed or fallen to colonial imperialism, that dared hold its head high and consider itself the equal (or better) of every so-called "developed nation" in the world. To me, that was what letting Thanos devastate Wakanda was really all about for the rest of the world in-universe --- sticking it to "those uppity Wakandans," even if by proxy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nj06 View Post
    Miles would be awesome. Daredevil as well. Matt and T'Challa really should hang out more.
    Miles needs to properly thank T'Challa for saving him in CwII and get those vibranium upgrades. Abd T'Challa needs some more high profile team ups.

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    I think issue #3 really puts the lie to the theory that Zub was forced to use this cast, as he has Mockingbird basically show up out of nowhere.

    So there's no reason why he COULDN'T use more spy-fi characters... he just doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyo1000 View Post
    Miles needs to properly thank T'Challa for saving him in CwII and get those vibranium upgrades. Abd T'Challa needs some more high profile team ups.
    Miles would be great especially as it could allow Panther to do properly pick up where Cable left off with possibly training Miles for expanded presence in MU. I would actually add Deathlok, Winter Soldier, War Machine and Wasp. Definitely have the HZ as support troops. While we're at it let's put Blue Marvel into play as additional tech guy and powerhouse backup.

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    Huntsman Spider that will be 8 dollars... And a buck fifty for shipping and handling!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chesterfield View Post
    I dont buy this reasoning at all. T'Chaka's reasons for withholding it is reason enough. Western society is too in love with their own bullcrap to do anything honest and with integrity. If things were different they'd have found the cure. Do you know how profitable the RnD alone for pharmacovigilence, Oncology and preclinical trials are?? It's not going away any time soon. Too much money to be made and too much red tape when it comes to regulatory affairs within the Life Sciences sector. Fact is, human beings are an immature species who are incapable of responsibility when it matters the most. We are governed by the overwhelmingly selfish who'll not only slap a premium on cures but also introduce new ailments and avenues to expedite health decline to try and make money from. Western ways and customs doesnt mean progressive or the right way to go about things. It's that evil arrogance and unjustifiable privilege that's manipulated the rest of the world into thinking the West is the way. Rubbish. There's an iconic line from the great Dr.Ian Malcolm that's worth paraphrasing and applying it to the clowns that chastised T'Chaka over the whole cancer cure business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    I'm fine with Tchaka and Wakanda having an #### the rest of the world outlook. Hickman went out of his way to highlight this mentality with the previous BP. Tchalla being a super hero is a different matter. An Avengers chairman with a #### the rest of the world outlook doesn't work. And obviously he doesn't.

    I DO think the rest of the world gets a pass for ignoring Thanos genocide of Wakanda in TRO though. Thanos was keeping the rest of the universe (which includes Wakanda) from being destroyed in incursions. Sucky situation, but what can ya do.
    You can just say no.

    Simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Personally, the rest of the world turning a blind eye to the genocide of Wakanda by Thanos was when I figured the general Marvel Universe was just about beyond hope of redemption, and the subtext was pretty ugly, too. By my interpretation, it wasn't just about "the greater good" of the rest of the world, it was more so using Thanos as a spearhead of spite and revenge against the one African country that had never succumbed or fallen to colonial imperialism, that dared hold its head high and consider itself the equal (or better) of every so-called "developed nation" in the world. To me, that was what letting Thanos devastate Wakanda was really all about for the rest of the world in-universe --- sticking it to "those uppity Wakandans," even if by proxy.





    Thanks for refreshing my memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkrook View Post
    Miles would be great especially as it could allow Panther to do properly pick up where Cable left off with possibly training Miles for expanded presence in MU. I would actually add Deathlok, Winter Soldier, War Machine and Wasp. Definitely have the HZ as support troops. While we're at it let's put Blue Marvel into play as additional tech guy and powerhouse backup.
    I dunno about BM.. not for this team, he is kinda redundant. They are already funded by Wakanda so what could he provide really? T'Challa is already the genius on the book so Adam would be taking away feats from T'Challa. He would have to be a brick and that wouldn't do him much for favors.

    Honestly? I would make a power team, straight up powerful heavy hitters, the ultimates that are truly the ultimate team for the ultimate threats.

    Bm
    Monica
    Carol
    Thor and strange.

    For AoW I like adding Miles and deathlok, and ws. I would say just have Kasper be the new head of the HZ. Call it good, and then truly go for a James Bond action espionage book

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyo1000 View Post
    I dunno about BM.. not for this team, he is kinda redundant. They are already funded by Wakanda so what could he provide really? T'Challa is already the genius on the book so Adam would be taking away feats from T'Challa. He would have to be a brick and that wouldn't do him much for favors.

    Honestly? I would make a power team, straight up powerful heavy hitters, the ultimates that are truly the ultimate team for the ultimate threats.

    Bm
    Monica
    Carol
    Thor and strange.

    For AoW I like adding Miles and deathlok, and ws. I would say just have Kasper be the new head of the HZ. Call it good, and then truly go for a James Bond action espionage book
    In my humble opinion, the head of the HZ should be Wakandan.

    To my knowledge, Kasper, doesn't fit that category.

    And as regards the Blue Marvel being "redundant"as a possible addition to the AoW, if Tony Stark and Pym being members of the Avengers/Illuminati alongside T'Challa did not take away feats from T'Challa, I somehow doubt Adam Brashear would pose any such threat to the Wakandan Monarch especially as they were able to co-exist within The Ultimates quite comfortably.

    To me, it would have been interesting to see how the AoW's encounter with the Sentry would have played out if Adam Brashear was part of the team.

    Instead, they had to call in the already over exposed Thor to provide the heavy hitter component in that instance.

    As things stand right now, AoW is nothing more than Ultimates lite without true agency or recognizable impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr MajestiK View Post
    In my humble opinion, the head of the HZ should be Wakandan.

    To my knowledge, Kasper, doesn't fit that category.
    This is true, although he is, descended from African royalty and the only non-Wakandan to successfully take the HSH (and keep the powers), which is enough to make him an honorary Wakandan, I think.

    Anyway, the reason I always liked the idea of making him the new White Wolf was BECAUSE he isn't Wakandan. Who better to reform the secret police of Wakanda than an outsider (who would hence have no political baggage) who not only shared the King's powers but was also an actual NYPD cop?

    Admittedly, this would have made more impact when the HZ hadn't been turned into grunts by Coates. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Personally, the rest of the world turning a blind eye to the genocide of Wakanda by Thanos was when I figured the general Marvel Universe was just about beyond hope of redemption, and the subtext was pretty ugly, too. By my interpretation, it wasn't just about "the greater good" of the rest of the world, it was more so using Thanos as a spearhead of spite and revenge against the one African country that had never succumbed or fallen to colonial imperialism, that dared hold its head high and consider itself the equal (or better) of every so-called "developed nation" in the world. To me, that was what letting Thanos devastate Wakanda was really all about for the rest of the world in-universe --- sticking it to "those uppity Wakandans," even if by proxy.





    Thanks for refreshing my memory.
    Again, you have to consider the situation in Time Runs Out. The incursions were destroying not one but 2 entire universes (Wakanda included, so sparing it from Thanos does it no favors). The heroes had no means to stop the incursions aside from destroying the alternate earth, and the Illuminati had already decided they werent' going to do that. What option besides Thanos did they really have at that point? What else were they going to do? It was an ugly decision... but given the situation also the right and the ONLY one.

    If there was really ANY other viable option and the world just went with the Thanos option anyways I might agree there was an underlying motivation to stick it to Wakanda. But if there literally was no other option left, then you can't fault the world for doing the ONLY thing they could do. If for example the Illuminati decided again to blow up other planets (something I can't fault them for not wanting to do), then yeah... stop Thanos. But at that point Thanos was willing to do what the Illuminati couldn't, so he was really their own choice. Sucks, but it was what it was. It's not like Wakanda doesn't get destroyed if the universe ends up being destroyed by an incursion, so it destroyed either way... the only difference is 2 entire universes go with it if they don't allow Thanos to do what he needs to do.

    Thanos was undeniably being petty. He didn't need to destroy Wakanda... he was just doing it to stick it to Wakanda for defying him. So he at least falls under that category.

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