Marvel movies at this point are draws regardless of if heroes cross over or not. Heck, the second Spider-Man move actually did better than the first without the Iron Man cross over. Marvel doesn't do cross overs because they're needed... the MCU has basically made marvel itself a brand name to the point where the movies even heroes who aren't well known do just fine without the better known characters to prop them up. Guardians for example were fine with no big name heroes crossing over, and pretty much no one knew who these guys were before the movie.
I think you just have trouble wrapping your head around the notion that a lot of the people making these super hero movies like the idea of playing with the other toys in the sandbox. That's the point of a shared universe... you can use other heroes. That's frankly part of the fun.
As far as me telling what other heroes had an out of franchise villain show up in their movie as the main antagonist... not many. Ant-Man and Wasp used Ghost, which is an Iron Man rogue. Guardians of the Galaxy used Ronin and Ego, who aren't really rogues Guardians rogues though they have interacted. In the least BP has fought Namor and Doom more times than the Guardians have fought Ronin and Ego. So it's not common, but it's not unheard of. We'll see what Cooglers does. I'll say again, I'm sure it'll be fine either way.
T'Challa
A.K.A. The Black Panther
King of Wakanda
King of the Dead and The Champion of Bast
Two-Time Time Magazine "Person Of The Year"
Six-Time People Magazine "Sexiest Man Alive"
Given then nature of her character, I think she almost has to be more the Thor than say the Iron Man. She's only called when it's a big emergency. She's their big gun, and she'll show up for the BIG stuff. But she's probably too busy dealing with every little thing that happens to occur.
The Queen speaks on Wakanda to help with that "Outreach" tourism thing she has planned...
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Yes Marvel movie's draw. But theres a difference between doing say, Ant-Man numbers, homecoming numbers, and Black panther numbers.
So me saying BP doesn't need outside heroes or villains showing up in his sequels because of his rich and full cast and rogues available while also stating why other heroes needed it = not being able to wrap my head around the idea of playing with other toys on the sandbox.. Gotcha. Sweet bast reading is hard.
I think some that post here need to wrap their head around the notion that just because it's a shared universe, doesn't mean that every hero needs to share that space with other heroes, especially when their cast is already full and would end up taking away from the in franchise characters.
Them staying "bros" should only be for so long. M'Baku should eventually have beef with T'Challa. If Zemo is free in the Winter Soldier show then yea thats a bad look on Wakanda/T'Challa. He doesn't have to be the villain in the 2nd movie, but we should see some more friction.
I agree not every hero needs to share that space with other heroes. Again, I've already said like 4-5 times that neither BP nor any of the other heroes NEED other heroes, and I'll say it again if you missed it again. It's not an issue of need. Coogler will use other heroes or villains if he feels like it. And if he doesn't, he won't. It's that simple.
He's already said in the past he wanted to use Kraven at one point... his exact quote was "Being a marvel fan, you want to grab all the characters..." He of course may feel differently now and decide not to use other characters. And that's perfectly fine too. But the point being it's not an issue of need for BP or anyone else... it's simply a matter of whether or not the people involved choose to. As marvel is a shared sandbox, it gives them that option. Some take it and some don't, and it's fine either way.
I do think we should have differing idealogies in Wakanda... that's one of the strengths of a lot of the stories in the comics. Villains are better when they operate under a idealogy of some sort apart from simply wanting to sit on T'Challa's throne. Killmonger, M'Baku and T'CHalla in the comics all have very differing views, and that adds a lot of dept to their conflict.
If M'Baku doesn't represent a different idealogy for Wakanda, hopefully we get a villain that does. It made Killmonger a much more interesting character.
Certain people, feel some kind of way when two black men are on the screen together at the same time, shoulder to shoulder, on the same side, as opposed to being against each other. That's why BP IMO will always be flanked by women (his sister and Okoye). Which is fine, the more black women that get to shine the better, but the one black male at a time thing also has to go.
This is why I don't get why W'kabi has to either turn fully heel or die to "redeem" himself. He wanted his father's killer brought to justice, his friend didn't do it (and wouldn't tell him why for some reason) while this outsider did. People apparently don't see clearly when it comes to the circumstances of their father's murder (see T'challa himself as well as Tony in Civil War). All this ignored because, well, it just feels right to see a black dude die for a greater cause or redeeming himself doesn't it?
If W'kabi and M'baku is out of the question for various reasons...I'd suggest Casper Cole. Hire Jordan Calloway, voila. If people feel some sort of way about how the comic Casper Cole is portrayed I'd humbly remind them the MOVIE version can be cooler under Coogler. Hashtag two black men at a time.
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