Black Panther Appreciation 2019

[Rumble]

Crouching Tiger is GOAT level stuff



This would have like 3 or 4 cuts in a MCU film.

Its going to be interesting to see how they handle fights in BP2.

On one hand you could feel which were the ones Ryan was comfortable with (Casino/Waterfall) however those superhero fights....not quite.

I also think Ryan's long take style backfired on the CGI fights. Cause they were adapting his style(pre-vis team), but with not the right quality.

If that BP/KM falling and mine double blast were cut it up like other MCU movies it wouldn't have landed as bad. Cause they simple would have chose the best cutups and land its impact.

I think he'll find the right balance in the sequel. However, I do like that he's trying to be innovative as well.

The aerodynamics are goofy peter pan harnessed in a theater play type stuff lol, same with badlands. But the fight choreography for both is better than anything ever seen in the MCU

Makes you appreciate the actors, especially the women and obesity-inclined who still put in work and learn how to fight.

Conversely, makes you feel bad for all the work Chad put in to become a level 9 brazilian jujitsu black belt monk, only for him to really just have to swing a sword in swim trunks for, like, 15 seconds.

Or all that weight lifting Brie did just for that 15 second opening movie skirmish that was probably a stunt double for half of it.

At least they tried.

[Rumble]

Heroic death incoming

It's so obvious. But deserved, bc Daniel can act!

That final scene he has with T'Challa before W'Kabi croaks will have the theater in tears

Best supporting actor nom on the way

[Klaue's Mixtape]

The aerodynamics are goofy peter pan harnessed in a theater play type stuff lol, same with badlands. But the fight choreography for both is better than anything ever seen in the MCU

Makes you appreciate the actors, especially the women and obesity-inclined who still put in work and learn how to fight.

Conversely, makes you feel bad for all the work Chad put in to become a level 9 brazilian jujitsu black belt monk, only for him to really just have to swing a sword in swim trunks for, like, 15 seconds.

Or all that weight lifting Brie did just for that 15 second opening movie skirmish that was probably a stunt double for half of it.

At least they tried.

Yea thats the sad part. Chadwicke would even post behind the scenes footage on social media. Here's hope for the sequel though.

[MindofShadow]

Speaking of ridiculous martial art stuff

You know what would be cool?

A 1v1 boss fight in like the Wakandan Museum.

You know how in SWAD, T'challa mentioned the weapons of the defeated armies were in their museums?

Have the fight take place there, have T'challa grab various weapons off the wall as they break against Zanda's anti-metal sword, showing off his mastery of every martial arts style.

[FLEX HECTIC]

Why did you have to post that Mortal Kombat video... I just got my @$$ handed to me by both my son and my nephew to the point that I don't even challenge them anymore!


(sets controller down and pretends to type stuff on CBR type of walkaway)


My son still taking ish... "Dad let's play Mortal Kombat"


Flex Hectic: "Naw, my thumbs are hurting I think I sprained my thenar muscle or something."


Taking L's and proud of it...


Anyway...


We started another Batman Arkham series (Arkham Asylum, Arkham City and Arkham Knight) and it gave me some ideas about the Black Panther video game and it's potential sequels!


As talk of the not so inspiring BP MCU fight scenes goes there should be plasma particles galore for the video game something similar to Mortal Kombat but with a better angled camera control like the Arkham games.


Catwoman in Arkham City featured more athleticism than Batman so somewhere between her skillset and his is where Black Panther should be visual wise!


BP Boss battles should compare to that other forgotten video game Batman Arkham Origins where Deathstroke put in that work...





Intense like Bruce Lee movies with significant violence yet sleek and elegant enough to see what is happening unlike the Nigerian fight scene!

[Cville]

Speaking of ridiculous martial art stuff

You know what would be cool?

A 1v1 boss fight in like the Wakandan Museum.

You know how in SWAD, T'challa mentioned the weapons of the defeated armies were in their museums?

Have the fight take place there, have T'challa grab various weapons off the wall as they break against Zanda's anti-metal sword, showing off his mastery of every martial arts style.

Like Wonder Woman vs Mongul in the Fortress of solitude?

[FLEX HECTIC]

You heard it here first people...


The Ultimate Marvel Team Up...


Black Panther and Doctor Strange versus some mystical martial arts overlord that requires both skillsets to defeat in the Mirror Dimension...





"Man, you come right out of a comic book."

[Ezyo1000]

Jax has a mechanic in MK11 which allows his metal arms to overheat the more he punches an opponent. Considering I mentioned that like Narcisse did the kinetic energy thing to have been restricted to the gloves and boots of the suit, I think this is how the energy should build up. Have T'Challa build up his kinetic energy in the gloves and boots of his suit with punches and kicks (or blocking with his hands, landing from great heights, running) and then the release/redirection can be something like Jax's ground pound that release a small but powerful wave of energy that can knock a few enemies off their feet, or cause even more damage as a strike.

But whu nerf Tchalla when they can instead bring his rogues uw. We gotta get out if that mindset boys.p

[XPac]

Jax has a mechanic in MK11 which allows his metal arms to overheat the more he punches an opponent. Considering I mentioned that like Narcisse did the kinetic energy thing to have been restricted to the gloves and boots of the suit, I think this is how the energy should build up. Have T'Challa build up his kinetic energy in the gloves and boots of his suit with punches and kicks (or blocking with his hands, landing from great heights, running) and then the release/redirection can be something like Jax's ground pound that release a small but powerful wave of energy that can knock a few enemies off their feet, or cause even more damage as a strike.

That's a nice versatile way of addressing his abilities, because it justifies him being able to scale up to meet opponents of differing power levels. In comic book battles, you usually face the red shirts in the beginning and the more powerful bad guys later, and having T'Challas abilities ramp up overtime is sort of a built in way of making sure he's not over or underpowered. Hulk sort of works that way... sort of.

[Rumble]

But whu nerf Tchalla when they can instead bring his rogues uw. We gotta get out if that mindset boys.p

I like his suit as is tbh. That said, I think the next evolution is what we mused over last year where he can control where and how the energy is released. Store it all to his legs and explode up in a jump, store it in his hands/arms and give folks an All Might Dettoit (or Golden City) Smash. Or simply release it all at once in every direction, as the default.

That solar flare he did with Ironman, I'd actually like for him to be able to heat up the exterior of his suit and then release his stored up energy, so like what we saw visually with the solar flare but its heat waves burning everything to a crisp. Reverse effect too, by him cooling down the exterior of his suit and releasing an artic blast. And of course, the hadouken

I think his suit is an imagination's best friend lol

[Holt]

Jax has a mechanic in MK11 which allows his metal arms to overheat the more he punches an opponent. Considering I mentioned that like Narcisse did the kinetic energy thing to have been restricted to the gloves and boots of the suit, I think this is how the energy should build up. Have T'Challa build up his kinetic energy in the gloves and boots of his suit with punches and kicks (or blocking with his hands, landing from great heights, running) and then the release/redirection can be something like Jax's ground pound that release a small but powerful wave of energy that can knock a few enemies off their feet, or cause even more damage as a strike.

Reminded how disappointingly meat and potatoes Panther's moveset in MVC Infinite was. They could've at given him the force push.

[Ezyo1000]

Speaking of ridiculous martial art stuff

You know what would be cool?

A 1v1 boss fight in like the Wakandan Museum.

You know how in SWAD, T'challa mentioned the weapons of the defeated armies were in their museums?

Have the fight take place there, have T'challa grab various weapons off the wall as they break against Zanda's anti-metal sword, showing off his mastery of every martial arts style.

Three fights from the comics I'd like to see. Tchalla vs a supremacists/ sinister six type team.

Tchalla vs a major villain akin to Priests BP vs IF

And Tchalla vs some mini boss akin to Hudlin's battle with the werewolf. Total domination

[Ezyo1000]

I like his suit as is tbh. That said, I think the next evolution is what we mused over last year where he can control where and how the energy is released. Store it all to his legs and explode up in a jump, store it in his hands/arms and give folks an All Might Dettoit (or Golden City) Smash. Or simply release it all at once in every direction, as the default.

That solar flare he did with Ironman, I'd actually like for him to be able to heat up the exterior of his suit and then release his stored up energy, so like what we saw visually with the solar flare but its heat waves burning everything to a crisp. Reverse effect too, by him cooling down the exterior of his suit and releasing an artic blast. And of course, the hadouken

I think his suit is an imagination's best friend lol

Bruh, for real, the next level (I want T'Challa to do this) is for him to figure out how to alter the Kinect energy absorbed and convert it to a different energy frequency. Goon slam Gary and his buddies come smacking on the suit like the border tribe, and out comes an inferno blast.

Tchalla fighting a big bad in a busy street, homie gets a good hit him, he releases the energy and freezes the dudes legs as he back flips out of the way a truck as big bad blocks it with his face.

The possibilities are endless.. I hope Coogler is paying attention to JAs Avengers, reads up on narcisses Rise, and be vs do as well to fet some more fun ideas to add

[MindofShadow]

I am down for any and all technology of varying degrees of OP-ness as long as they do not forget he is a Warrior King first and foremost.

First he was a Warrior. Then he was a King. Two most important things. If that is his base, he can tank Gamma Explosions and shoot solar flares out of his ass for all I care lol.

One of the low key things I liked about BP movie was when they were game planning going to get Klaue. Old lady on the council was like," yo dude, Wakanda needs a king! just stay here." But, T'challa is still a warrior first... he was Black Panther before he was King T'challa. So F that, T'challa gonna go take care of that shit himself.

Also, Killmonger. As king, he should have locked that dude up in 2 minutes and forgot where he put him as soon as he challenged him. But, as a warrior first... he just couldn't. Dude challenged him, directly, in front of every important person in Wakanda. He couldn't let that shit slide. Ooops lol

The comics have consistently lost that side of T'challa.

Warrior. King.

[Blind Wedjat]

But whu nerf Tchalla when they can instead bring his rogues uw. We gotta get out if that mindset boys.p

I like his suit as is tbh. That said, I think the next evolution is what we mused over last year where he can control where and how the energy is released. Store it all to his legs and explode up in a jump, store it in his hands/arms and give folks an All Might Dettoit (or Golden City) Smash. Or simply release it all at once in every direction, as the default.

That solar flare he did with Ironman, I'd actually like for him to be able to heat up the exterior of his suit and then release his stored up energy, so like what we saw visually with the solar flare but its heat waves burning everything to a crisp. Reverse effect too, by him cooling down the exterior of his suit and releasing an artic blast. And of course, the hadouken

I think his suit is an imagination's best friend lol

Bruh, for real, the next level (I want T'Challa to do this) is for him to figure out how to alter the Kinect energy absorbed and convert it to a different energy frequency. Goon slam Gary and his buddies come smacking on the suit like the border tribe, and out comes an inferno blast.

Tchalla fighting a big bad in a busy street, homie gets a good hit him, he releases the energy and freezes the dudes legs as he back flips out of the way a truck as big bad blocks it with his face.

The possibilities are endless.. I hope Coogler is paying attention to JAs Avengers, reads up on narcisses Rise, and be vs do as well to fet some more fun ideas to add

I think we may be contradicting ourselves here a little bit. So far we've been discussing how to improve the BP fight scenes for the sequel in regards to T'Challa and we've pointed out TWS and Into the Badlands as the way to go because of the hand to hand. I don't think you can say you want that, and then start suggesting BP's suit can do stuff like blast everyone away, incinerate them or freeze them.

We've also said that BP's best fight scenes in the MCU are the ones in Civil War and the forest fight in his solo. That was all hand to hand. No blasting away.

Now throughout since I started visiting this forum the best depictions of T'Challa pre-Coates/pre force push usually revolve around Priest, Hudlin, Liss, EMH, Hickman (first issue only lol), Civil War, BP solo, Narcisse, BP vs DP, and BPQ. That also includes guest appearances in Spider-Man, Deadpool, Aaron's Avengers, and Cho Hulk. Even if we focus on the ones during Coates era all of these depictions have one thing in comon, which is that T'Challa's suit either doesn't have the force push or it's used sparingly.

I'm pretty sure out of all of those, Narcisse is the only that used the ability, but he seemed to have limited it to the gloves and the boots (I don't know if he meant to but it looked that way) and I'd argue that's the best depiction of the ability. Think about the brief fight vs Namor or the fight against the Doombots. T'Challa's hand to hand skill didn't feel compromised. He blocked a hit from Namor, absorbed the energy and threatened to use it to blow up his vessel. That to me is both creative and in line with who T'Challa is as a fighter.

Now the thing about converting energy is a good idea. Actually Shuri's gauntlets in Rise could do that. But the thing about fancy gadgets is (and why it worked for that MCU inspired Shuri) is that they're usually used to make up for something. Characters like Batman, Iron Man, Mr Terrific, etc all don't have superpowers, so their superior intellect is focused on using tech to make up for it. It's why MCU Shuri isn't a fighter like in the comics, and the brief time Shuri first became BP in the comics used gadgets was because she apparently did have powers.

T'Challa has powers. He's basically a mix between Deathstroke and Wolverine. Those two characters don't use fancy gadgets. Deathstroke has a very specific set of gear and Wolverine (to my knowledge) has never used any gadgets because he doesn't need it. Now I'm not saying T'Challa shouldn't have tech and I'm not arguing against the force push, but it should be limited or else it will become the focus. The best way I think to think of his tech is to consider how does it compliment his theme, his abilities and his character. I don't think being able to incinerate or freeze opponents fits his character, nor does being able to clear an entire room with one gesture.

All I'm suggesting is limit the kinetic energy think to his gloves and boots, build the energy up by punches, kicks, blocks and landing, and the release can be used to enhance blows, ground pounds, stomps and pounces and maybe even jumps. It's the best of both worlds.