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    Quote Originally Posted by moneymen View Post
    You are 100% right. but after Black Panther 1 made so much money. Coogler will make his Vision in BP2 .Like Gunn did with with GOTG 2
    Gotg2 was horrible.

    all those things that you people are saying that coogler did for Marvel you should remember that Marvel did those for coogler as well. Black panther is a Marvel superhero and works best in that dimension not in any type of artsy alternate director's cut universe. I don't want to see long drawn out scenes and hand2hand fights that I would see two humans do. I want to see Black Panther in his full Glory the same way that Captain America was shown in his second movie as opposed to his first. The best thing to collect can do is to put more of a spotlight on who the Black Panther is in why he is to be feared. You should take strong notes from redjacks cartoon version who is the true form of the character. Koogler can still shine spotlights on the outside characters and even bring back his boy Michael b Jordan for a bunch of cameos as far as I'm concerned but hed do better to show Tchalla the respect he deserves in the second movie.

    The biggest aspects to the success of black panther wasn't cooler. It was seeing the full actualization of afrofuturism on the big stage and all of its Glory, and that's bigger than any director
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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Coogler has gone on record as saying he wanted to use Kraven but couldn't. I suppose in theor a billion plus dollar movie might grease the wheels a bit if he still wants to use Kraven.
    Another reason why I'm not fully on the coogler gets to do what he wants train. Wanting to use Kraven is as big a red flag to me as anything that coats said during his interviews leading up to riding black panther and ultimately sidelining him in his own book for his own pet project characters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Morph View Post
    A part of me is still hoping against hope for Namor make his debut with BP2. It just would be a shame if such an iconic dynamic/beef doesn't hit the big screen. With BP3, setting the stage for a BP/Namor/Doom Triple threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekie View Post
    Gotg2 was horrible.

    all those things that you people are saying that coogler did for Marvel you should remember that Marvel did those for coogler as well. Black panther is a Marvel superhero and works best in that dimension not in any type of artsy alternate director's cut universe. I don't want to see long drawn out scenes and hand2hand fights that I would see two humans do. I want to see Black Panther in his full Glory the same way that Captain America was shown in his second movie as opposed to his first. The best thing to collect can do is to put more of a spotlight on who the Black Panther is in why he is to be feared. You should take strong notes from redjacks cartoon version who is the true form of the character. Koogler can still shine spotlights on the outside characters and even bring back his boy Michael b Jordan for a bunch of cameos as far as I'm concerned but hed do better to show Tchalla the respect he deserves in the second movie.

    The biggest aspects to the success of black panther wasn't cooler. It was seeing the full actualization of afrofuturism on the big stage and all of its Glory, and that's bigger than any director
    If you somehow think any director can depict Afrofuturism as well as it should be on screen, and none of how Wakanda was depicted came from Coogler, then you're not really aware of how good filmmaking works and how much of Coogler's vision was realised.

    How many directors do you know that would go to more than one country just to get inspiration, because Coogler did that. Plus, he's the one that got the production designer, the costume designer, and the composer on board. Those people are his friends and we most likely wouldn't have got any of them if he wasn't involved. And those guys can't just do what they want either. They have to realise the director's vision and what he wants, so he has the ideas, they share their own and collaborate.

    Afrofuturism may be bigger than any director but why did it take Black Panther a film by Coogler to show how great it is? If anybody could do it, why is Coates failing at it? A lesser director wouldn't have delivered this movie as it is. I mean shit, compare the Russo's Wakanda to Coogler's and there's a clear difference.

    As for shining the spotlight on others, it's not Coogler's fault the MCU doesn't know what a good supporting cast looks like outside of the Avengers movies. It took that franchise 8 years to put out another noteworthy villain since Loki in Thor 1. It's not his fault every other villain aside from Loki before Killmonger was shit and forgettable. That's why Killmonger (and Thanos) is getting all the attention. If this was common for the MCU it wouldn't be a big deal.

    Like damn, it's not Coogler's fault he made a well written, well researched, well acted and well directed movie all across the board and told the rest of the MCU to step their game up. Why should he be judged for that?

    Sometimes I think some of you have let the BP "criticisms" get to you.

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    Some people aren't happy unless they have something to complain about.

    Coogler made one of the most socially popular, critically approved and financially successful movies in cinematic history.

    But clearly, it wasn't his doing, because then they would have to admit that something good happened.
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    Black Panther’ Goes From Tentpole To Cultural Milestone: No. 2 In 2018 Most Valuable Blockbuster Tournament

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    It's the only way I could see it working if they're bring Killmonger back fully but I really doubt it.
    What about Kingpin? We saw how he worked in Spiderverse.

    Or the Wrecking Crew. Remember Thunderball is NOT a dummy.

    Or stay internal with Vibraxas-who doesn't like the fact Wakanda open it doors to the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyvolt2000 View Post
    What about Kingpin? We saw how he worked in Spiderverse.

    Or the Wrecking Crew. Remember Thunderball is NOT a dummy.

    Or stay internal with Vibraxas-who doesn't like the fact Wakanda open it doors to the world.
    was this when he was first introduced? I only read his bio that said he gained his powers and was sent to America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekie View Post
    Gotg2 was horrible.

    all those things that you people are saying that coogler did for Marvel you should remember that Marvel did those for coogler as well. Black panther is a Marvel superhero and works best in that dimension not in any type of artsy alternate director's cut universe. I don't want to see long drawn out scenes and hand2hand fights that I would see two humans do. I want to see Black Panther in his full Glory the same way that Captain America was shown in his second movie as opposed to his first. The best thing to collect can do is to put more of a spotlight on who the Black Panther is in why he is to be feared. You should take strong notes from redjacks cartoon version who is the true form of the character. Koogler can still shine spotlights on the outside characters and even bring back his boy Michael b Jordan for a bunch of cameos as far as I'm concerned but hed do better to show Tchalla the respect he deserves in the second movie.

    The biggest aspects to the success of black panther wasn't cooler. It was seeing the full actualization of afrofuturism on the big stage and all of its Glory, and that's bigger than any director
    I would say, the most noteworthy part's of BP that people here and elsewhere praise, is when Coogler goes outside the formula and gets to flex his creative muscles. And actually longer shot fight scenes are better then a bunch of edits because it allows you to appreciate the choreography of the actors, hence why people love Okoyes casino scene so much. And your right, it wasn't just Coogler, ot was Cole, T'Chadwick for fighting for having authentic African accents and not British ones, the whole crew putting in work and doing something different but this was still based off of Cooglers vision.

    Coogler respects Tchalla, hence why he took the time to build his world and his supporting cast so we actually had characters to talk about and Care about.. unless the cool thing is to give supporting cast the Thor treatment (replacing the entire supporting cast, and grabbed hulk, killed off the warrior's three and no one gave a shit, one of the warrior's 3 actors was different from Thor 1 to Thor 2 and NOBODY noticed)

    I mean damn, people act like there needs to be huge sweeping changes to the sequel as if it did Ant-Man numbers. Movie was a straight up unstoppable juggernaut both commercially, socially, and culturally.. i think the changes some people are asking for would actually be a detriment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cville View Post
    was this when he was first introduced? I only read his bio that said he gained his powers and was sent to America.
    I think he was speaking of potential motivations in the MCU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    Hickman's entire run.

    Plus, Coates doesn't play in the universe. So it won't be until he is done at the earliest.

    Plus, if there was a marvel wide crossover thing, Wakanda would just get blown up again and everyone would get mad lol.

    The time to raise T'challa's profile in the comic world came and went. That is pretty much over. We kinda made it? and blew it at the same time. Ain't nothing going to change until maybe BP2.



    you are getting predictable lol.

    I don't want to BP Coogler movie. I want a BP MCU Coogler movie. I want my third act mega fight fest. I want rhinos, invisible ships, shield cloaks, barking large dudes, and kymoyo beads that magically cure paralysis.

    I don't want some stupid indy boring ass movie like that Joker movie. People overreact everytime a white actor acts a bit creepy on screen. BP will make more in its first weekend than that movie will make in its entire run.

    The great thing Coogler did was create a great movie within the confines of the MCU. to the point it transcended a bit. Why can't he be allowed to... do that again?
    Coogler BP movie >> BP MCU Coogler movie

    The specificity he'd create within the movie would be one the greatest films of all time.

    They're not going to let him do it, but just saying it would.

    Shot on film, real locations, 100% focused on the weight of its themes, etc.

    Again it won't happen. But damn would it be perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyo1000 View Post
    This is another important thing to note. People keep acting like Coogler needs to "Watch out" for these other movies and feel threatened by another movie. Which for one is dumb. No one should hope a fellow director should fail to protect their ego (abd if they are then they have a fragile ego and need to get over it) or dramatically change their process or the process of the company they are working for because.... Their first movie was a massive success and a cultural event in itself? So why are people wanting this change exactly??

    The only things I would like to seen different are minor. Brighting the trafficker scene in the theater version, got that W'kabi and Okoye scene, cleaned up the CGI in the first 15 sec of the mine fight, and added in something showing that Tchalla created some tech other then his CW habit (the employee beads would've been an easy thing to give him credit for)

    But those are minor compared to everything done right. So why ask for dramatic change when Coogler has shown he can step up abd deliver a colossal success without needing to go indie on it
    I get and for the most part agree with what you're saying.

    However, Creed, Fruitvale Station truly look like different movies compared to Black Panther. They really did put the shackles on Coogler/Morrison's visuals. Its still better than most (if not all) Marvel films. Its just why hold back on cinematography, and story telling (3rd act) to remind the audience this is an MCU movie?

    Feels like a Jay Z "dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars"

    If Coogler didn't show clearly robbed of a Best Director nom worthy efforts in previous films I wouldn't sweat it so much. I love BP, the best MCU film to me, but I do think its clearly his 3rd best directed film imo. My 2nd favorite overall though after Creed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klaue's Mixtape View Post
    Coogler BP movie >> BP MCU Coogler movie

    The specificity he'd create within the movie would be one the greatest films of all time.

    They're not going to let him do it, but just saying it would.

    Shot on film, real locations, 100% focused on the weight of its themes, etc.

    Again it won't happen. But damn would it be perfect.
    Yeah because im sure coogler knows how to navigate the political aspects of shooting in different countries.
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    One thing I know from being a Craftsman/artist?, is you have to become more creative when put in a box. When you're in a drawing class or have to draw or sculpt your 6001st Tweety Bird or Micky Mouse, if the work ethic and passion are in you, you make the best damn Tweety or Micky you can. True artists/craftsmen do break the rules even if they are in a box. Coogler expanded the box and will do so again. Plus, the demographic BP reps was famished. And those outside the demographic ain't never tasted shit like that. BPII is gonna be the second helping. Just sayin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beware Of Geek View Post
    Some people aren't happy unless they have something to complain about.

    Coogler made one of the most socially popular, critically approved and financially successful movies in cinematic history.

    But clearly, it wasn't his doing, because then they would have to admit that something good happened.
    Preach!

    Quote Originally Posted by skyvolt2000 View Post
    What about Kingpin? We saw how he worked in Spiderverse.

    Or the Wrecking Crew. Remember Thunderball is NOT a dummy.

    Or stay internal with Vibraxas-who doesn't like the fact Wakanda open it doors to the world.
    Making Vibraxas a villain would be interesting. Let his powers disrupt the suit and you have a built in cinematically cool fight

    Quote Originally Posted by moneymen View Post
    All the best parts of Black Panther was because Ryan Coogler. One being deep writing. Without him you get Captain Marvel or Antman ok films but nothing to analysis without deeper meanings.
    Kareem, when did you make a new account again?
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