Jean Grey: Marvel Girl, Phoenix Appreciation 2019

**Daedra** · 10-12-2019, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Omega_DCD

Why do some artist exaggerate the gloves...Jean is not an electrician Attachment 88208
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you never know when a pair of insulated gloves may come handy

**Havok83** · 10-12-2019, 06:01 PM

I know Im late but I just saw Dark Phoenix last night and man that movie was horrible. I liked that the focus stayed on Jean but thats it. This had to be the worst rendition of the Phoenix in any medium. I thought The Last Stand handled it better and lord knows that was crap. I dont get how they teased and set up Phoenix in Apocalypse and dont even reference that in DP, instead opting to go in a different direction. Its like the same mistake that was made over 10 years ago

**Daedra** · 10-12-2019, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Havok83

I know Im late but I just saw Dark Phoenix last night and man that movie was horrible. I liked that the focus stayed on Jean but thats it. This had to be the worst rendition of the Phoenix in any medium. I thought The Last Stand handled it better and lord knows that was crap.

If there ever was a case to wish for disney to acquire the rights to the xmen franchise the dark phoenix movie would be the number 1 exhibt

**PsychoEFrost** · 10-12-2019, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Havok83

I know Im late but I just saw Dark Phoenix last night and man that movie was horrible. I liked that the focus stayed on Jean but thats it. This had to be the worst rendition of the Phoenix in any medium. I thought The Last Stand handled it better and lord knows that was crap. I dont get how they teased and set up Phoenix in Apocalypse and dont even reference that in DP, instead opting to go in a different direction. Its like the same mistake that was made over 10 years ago

When flying back from Hawaii, I had the movie options of Dark Phoenix, The Emoji Movie, and Left Behind.

I stared at the ceiling for that six hour flight instead.

**spirit2011** · 10-12-2019, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Havok83

I know Im late but I just saw Dark Phoenix last night and man that movie was horrible. I liked that the focus stayed on Jean but thats it. This had to be the worst rendition of the Phoenix in any medium. I thought The Last Stand handled it better and lord knows that was crap. I dont get how they teased and set up Phoenix in Apocalypse and dont even reference that in DP, instead opting to go in a different direction. Its like the same mistake that was made over 10 years ago

Same guy that wrote the last stand wrote dark phoenix.

they do 10 years time jumps in these movies, that only screw continuity

I knew that it would screw over the story again, too bad Marvel buying Fox was too late

**The Thunderbird** · 10-12-2019, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Omega_DCD

Why do some artist exaggerate the gloves...Jean is not an electrician Attachment 88208
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To be fair, her most recent major death was caused by an electric shock to the wrist.

**Daedra** · 10-13-2019, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by The Thunderbird

To be fair, her most recent major death was caused by an electric shock to the wrist.

see.... now we also have an in-story reason for the rubber gloves....how wonderful!

**5cents** · 10-13-2019, 08:03 AM

I know they want to ignore Jean's time as white phoenix but was it ever explain why Jean didn't appear during Necrosha or Chaos Wars?

Since we are close to Halloween

**Grey** · 10-13-2019, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by 5cents

I know they want to ignore Jean's time as white phoenix but was it ever explain why Jean didn't appear during Necrosha or Chaos Wars?

Since we are close to Halloween

Super cool

**Divine Spark** · 10-13-2019, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Havok83

I know Im late but I just saw Dark Phoenix last night and man that movie was horrible. I liked that the focus stayed on Jean but thats it. This had to be the worst rendition of the Phoenix in any medium. I thought The Last Stand handled it better and lord knows that was crap. I dont get how they teased and set up Phoenix in Apocalypse and dont even reference that in DP, instead opting to go in a different direction. Its like the same mistake that was made over 10 years ago

They did reference that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelatFox...orce_question/

Don’t see how The Last Stand was a better rendition. They didn’t explain why Jean was killing people in that.

Originally Posted by spirit2011

Same guy that wrote the last stand wrote dark phoenix.

No, he wrote a draft for it that got heavily rewritten by Zak Penn due to studio mandate. Even Chris Claremont said that’s what happened.

**Grey** · 10-13-2019, 09:30 AM

Honestly I hate knowing that they had other plans for the film that we will never see. It just drives my curiosity crazy.

Like the fact that it was going to be two movies, that the final act was supposed to be way different, etc. I’m not saying this would have saved the quality but I still want to see what the other product would have been.

**Harpsikord** · 10-13-2019, 09:31 AM

At the time of Necrosha and Chaos War Marvel was pushing Hope as the next One True Phoenix while acting like Jean was dead, with editorial even going so far as to say that her appearance in Sisterhood was a hallucination.

(Because if Emma was hallucinating the first thing she'd see is Jean, right?)

Also say what you will about Dark Phoenix but I think it's done at least one thing for the better that most other adaptions don't do: changed it so that Jean survived.

**MechaJeanix** · 10-13-2019, 09:39 AM

If you all recall the team on Chaos War X-men implied they weren't allowed to use Jean at that time. We will really never know the true reason Jean wasn't used when other main characters were temporarily brought back to life. It may be because they didn't know how to explain Jean's status (in Endsong she was searching/collecting the missing pieces of the Phoenix but they came to ignore that), and in Avengers vs X-men the Phoenix was coming back together to go for Hope.

As you all know I love Morrison's version of the Phoenix and of course Claremont's, but in Pak's Endsong Jean and the Phoenix were merged, were one, and Jean didn't seem to think of the Phoenix as this evil destructive force. I hate the Phoenix being made into a villain and a trickster entity that others make it to be (see Excalibur, Phoenix Resurrection, etc).

I did like Hopeless having Jean say the Phoenix was both good and bad. That pretty much sums it up at this point.

**Divine Spark** · 10-13-2019, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Grey

Honestly I hate knowing that they had other plans for the film that we will never see. It just drives my curiosity crazy.

Like the fact that it was going to be two movies, that the final act was supposed to be way different, etc. I’m not saying this would have saved the quality but I still want to see what the other product would have been.

The original third act wasn’t very good from what I’ve heard.

**MechaJeanix** · 10-13-2019, 09:54 AM

It kind of saddens me that there are so many fans who didn't watch Dark Phoenix when it came out. Even among die hard Jean Grey fans many of us didn't go and support the film. I understand the many reasons why we didn't. I still watched it multiple times opening weekend. I just couldn't help myself. I hate that a movie centered on Jean Grey did so poorly but the people behind the movie made so many bad choices.. if you watch the commentary on the DVD then you know what I'm talking about. These folks were clueless.

We have had two dark phoenix movies and yet no phoenix effect and no developing Jean Grey so that we would care about her and her story.. her struggle/pain.. and her relationships to the X-men.

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