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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    I wouldnt say that. Would you consider twin sisters that have kids biological mothers to each other's children bc its a similar situation here. Genetically Cable would be more along the lines of a nephew. She raising him makes him, her child
    So does Maddy share a 100% of Jeans DNA? If so that kinda closes the book on Cable being Jeans biological son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loke13 View Post
    So does Maddy share a 100% of Jeans DNA? If so that kinda closes the book on Cable being Jeans biological son.
    yes as do identical twins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    yes as do identical twins.
    True, but most identical twins don't have the same soul, As Jean and Maddy did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSman View Post
    True, but most identical twins don't have the same soul, As Jean and Maddy did.
    Do we know that? IRL, the soul is 100% theoretical.
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    And, I'm cherry picking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    yes as do identical twins.
    Eh common misconception but they don't. They're just REALLY REALLY similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoEFrost View Post
    Do we know that? IRL, the soul is 100% theoretical.
    Maddy was a tabula raza before imbued with the life force that originally belonged to Jean...was sent to be returned to Jean after Dark Phoenix died, keyed to Jean's DNA...Jean in the cocoon rejected it due to the horrible memories of destruction attached to it...so it bounced around to Maddie instead.

    One key aspect of Jean originally being uncomfortable with the idea of Rachel was not just that it was a daughter from an alternate timeline, but what that timeline entailed...DOFP, Sentinels, mass mutant death, etc...it made it feel like everything the X-Men/X-Factor were fighting for would be for naught.

    But this was all resolved with Excalibur #71, the wedding, and Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix...and everyone got the memo except Guggenheim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega_DCD View Post
    Maddy was a tabula raza before imbued with the life force that originally belonged to Jean...was sent to be returned to Jean after Dark Phoenix died, keyed to Jean's DNA...Jean in the cocoon rejected it due to the horrible memories of destruction attached to it...so it bounced around to Maddie instead.

    One key aspect of Jean originally being uncomfortable with the idea of Rachel was not just that it was a daughter from an alternate timeline, but what that timeline entailed...DOFP, Sentinels, mass mutant death, etc...it made it feel like everything the X-Men/X-Factor were fighting for would be for naught.

    But this was all resolved with Excalibur #71, the wedding, and Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix...and everyone got the memo except Guggenheim
    I mean the comparison between Jean and Maddie and two identical twins. Someone mentioned the soul being identical, but the concept of a soul doesn't really apply well to the real world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerpax View Post
    Well, either way the point is she's back now and slated to be very featured, so you'll get your full '90s dose of Queen Jean for the foreseeable future. Enjoy it, it'll likely be a lot better written than the last time she came back from the dead and became the cloying Nancy Reagan of mutantkind.
    Why are you even in the Jean Appreciation Thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
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    Maddie was always a cheap Jean replacement in the the Marvel universe and in ours, down to the genetics, absolutely nothing more
    Her whole existence depends on Sinister/Claremont wanting to make a Jean/Scott baby and not having the real Jean avalible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoEFrost View Post
    I mean the comparison between Jean and Maddie and two identical twins. Someone mentioned the soul being identical, but the concept of a soul doesn't really apply well to the real world.
    Well in the beginning, she's literally animated with a portion of Jean's borrowed life force... and in Claremont's "X-Men: The End" he had Jean and Maddie merge, saying "we were never meant to be separated"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega_DCD View Post
    Well in the beginning, she's literally animated with a portion of Jean's borrowed life force... and in Claremont's "X-Men: The End" he had Jean and Maddie merge, saying "we were never meant to be separated"
    I feel like we're having an info disconnect. I'm talking about the souls of beings being identical, while talking about real life twins. There isn't evidence to suggest a soul exists in the real world. So saying that two identical twins in the real world have identical souls isn't something that can be proven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega_DCD View Post
    Well in the beginning, she's literally animated with a portion of Jean's borrowed life force... and in Claremont's "X-Men: The End" he had Jean and Maddie merge, saying "we were never meant to be separated"
    Which was basically Claremont repeating what he and Simonson did in Inferno already.

    I do like Madelyne as her own character, especially after reading Mutant X a few years ago and seeing her stand on her own, but the fact is that she never should have been brought back. That's what made things messy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpsikord View Post
    Which was basically Claremont repeating what he and Simonson did in Inferno already.

    I do like Madelyne as her own character, especially after reading Mutant X a few years ago and seeing her stand on her own, but the fact is that she never should have been brought back. That's what made things messy.
    Yeah, IMO she was doomed to fail. CC made too many coincidences. Scott could have moved on with someone like Lee Forester...or designed Maddie differently...but the physical resemblance(atrong enough to sometimes produce a visceral reaction), the backstory, plane crash, sole survivor, having the plane crash the same day Jean/Phoenix "died"...was begging for some kind of convoluted retcon...and we got it

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