Jean Grey: Marvel Girl, Phoenix Appreciation 2019

[franckd]

Young Jean by Sami Basri

Great art. I really love this one.

[PsychoEFrost]

I thought the rumour was that he was anti-marriage or some nonsense.

He was going through a nasty divorce where his ex-wife basically smashed his life with a hammer and still won in court, and around that time he ended Hank and Janet's marriages, Scott and Jean's, and the big one, Peter and Mary Jane's.

[franckd]

He was going through a nasty divorce where his ex-wife basically smashed his life with a hammer and still won in court, and around that time he ended Hank and Janet's marriages, Scott and Jean's, and the big one, Peter and Mary Jane's.

Exactly. And it was all Morrison's fault

[Wiccan]

Was Jean's death by Morrison editorially mandated though? If not, he still deserves some of the fault. Though I agree Quesada is the biggest culprit either way.

[franckd]

Was Jean's death by Morrison editorially mandated though? If not, he still deserves some of the fault. Though I agree Quesada is the biggest culprit either way.

I was talking about Pete/MJ and Hand/Janet divorce, saying it was Grant's fault, as a joke. Jean's and Scott break was with no doubt Grant's decision. With no doubt all JQ's benediction, and more.

Anyway, I agree, Jean's death (and return in HCT) was all GM.

[richalex]

Was Jean's death by Morrison editorially mandated though? If not, he still deserves some of the fault. Though I agree Quesada is the biggest culprit either way.

It was Morrison's story/idea/. But I think the ending we received with HCT wasn't how it was originally supposed to end. I've been looking for that quote forever, but from my understanding, he was planning on bringing Jean back by the end of his run.

[spirit2011]

Was Jean's death by Morrison editorially mandated though? If not, he still deserves some of the fault. Though I agree Quesada is the biggest culprit either way.

No, it wasn't. There wasn't editorial mandates on his run. It felt like the natural conclusion of his run.

[franckd]

It was Morrison's story/idea/. But I think the ending we received with HCT wasn't how it was originally supposed to end. I've been looking for that quote forever, but from my understanding, he was planning on bringing Jean back by the end of his run.

He wasn't supposed to live after HCT, so yes, he surely changed the ending knowing he would leave anyway. If not, It wasn't supposed ti be his last take on those characters . He would have certainly brought back Jean at some point in his run. As he said in an interview, he always fell for "Oh Jean..."

[spirit2011]

It was Morrison's story/idea/. But I think the ending we received with HCT wasn't how it was originally supposed to end. I've been looking for that quote forever, but from my understanding, he was planning on bringing Jean back by the end of his run.

I heard a lot of that, but when I read his interviews right after gone from x-men, i can only find he worried about Scott and his plans for Emma and Scott together

[Cruelrain]

I take it you're in an argument with someone and need a feat? I can't particularly think of one but maybe another Jean fan here can?

Yes! a Storm fan is getting on my nerves about Jean's reaction speed in a battle thread, but I did my research and Jean doesn't have any good reaction/speed feat
we all know how the speed of a thought works in Marvel but still.

Jean can't react to lightning...

[franckd]

I heard a lot of that, but when I read his interviews right after gone from x-men, i can only find he worried about Scott and his plans for Emma and Scott together

Have you read all of them ? It's a real question, not a provocation.

[ExodusCloak]

The only story I recall Morrison planning post HCT was that the school was going to allow a gifted human musician entry and he'd be bullied. I think HCT ended the way he wanted to but no idea if he had plans for a Ressurection

[spirit2011]

Have you read all of them ? It's a real question, not a provocation.

Hard to say as I don't have a exactly number of his interviews, but the ones I read completely refutes any "Morrison wan to ressurrect Jean". He says that he did everything he wanted to do on x-men and it was time to go, that he is worried about Scott.

[WallStreeter]

Emma i snot part of any old generation, she has the same age as Jean and she joined x-men on 2000s



With Morrison is really easy lost Jean character on it. First she saw U-man she panicked

When Emma was introduced she referred to the X-Men as YOUNG people and CHILDREN. She was originally same age as people like Xavier and Moira (who is also old but looks good). Morrison had her claim to be 27 when the Cuckoos called her a silly old woman. Of course Morrison also wrote Emma as having had plastic surgery, so besides plastic surgery and powerful telepathic powers of course she looks good.

Now under Hickman Magneto and Xavier speak to Emma as if she's a peer, as in someone their age.

She's definitely WAY older than Jean. None of the younger X-Men were focused on in Hickman's set up.

[spirit2011]

When Emma was introduced she referred to the X-Men as YOUNG people and CHILDREN. She was originally same age as people like Xavier and Moira (who is also old but looks good). Morrison had her claim to be 27 when the Cuckoos called her a silly old woman. Of course Morrison also wrote Emma as having had plastic surgery, so besides plastic surgery and powerful telepathic powers of course she looks good.

Now under Hickman Magneto and Xavier speak to Emma as if she's a peer, as in someone their age.

She's definitely WAY older than Jean. None of the younger X-Men were focused on in Hickman's set up.

She was retconned to be the same age as O5. Also being older doesn't make her a older generation of x-men, she joined x-men only on 2000s.
She has zero to do with magneto, xavier and moira