Jean Grey: Marvel Girl, Phoenix Appreciation 2019

[phoenixzero23]

Found this in the other thread

While i wasn't alive back then i miss this portrayal of their relationship.
It was cute

[Snoop Dogg]

While i wasn't alive back then i miss this portrayal of their relationship

I'm glad you're alive now.

[ariwl1]

I like the mixture of the character. She's compassionate to her teammates, and fiercely protective of mutantkind, with a temper that resonates with her heart and intentions. Her drive and energy for life is why the Phoenix loved her as her host so much. Contrasting to the average X-character of goofiness or apathy, she has a charm that makes her stand out and provide an air of positivity to action.

For me it's pretty succinctly this. Jean does pretty much everything with intensity. It's why a lot of people find her a bit unnerving. She doesn't really do "balance."

[phoenixzero23]

I'm glad you're alive now.

Is this some kind of weird sarcasm?

If not, thanks!

[Snoop Dogg]

Is this some kind of weird sarcasm?

If not, thanks!

[johnnysv75]

For me it's pretty succinctly this. Jean does pretty much everything with intensity. It's why a lot of people find her a bit unnerving. She doesn't really do "balance."

That’s the Jean we know and love so much. :-)

[spirit2011]

Those pages are exactly why Phoenix Resurrection makes so much gd sense.

Morrison run is why Phoenix Ressurrection makes no sense

hahah

For me it's pretty succinctly this. Jean does pretty much everything with intensity. It's why a lot of people find her a bit unnerving. She doesn't really do "balance."

this too. Jean is very intense in what she does

[WallStreeter]

In fairness, at full power (which Nate is supposed to be at), he's significantly more powerful than just about everyone. Hence why they've had to nerf him several times.

Except he’s not significantly more powerful than everyone. Jean herself as undergone power upgrades.

So have certain other XMen.

Nate was using the life seed to do what he did.

Even there the telepaths (including Jean) were able to separate him from Legion, using Jean’s strategy.

All this after Jean went out of her way to avoid fighting him.

And just the images of what she did as Phoenix nearly shut Nate down.

[mogwen]

Except he’s not significantly more powerful than everyone. Jean herself as undergone power upgrades.

So have certain other XMen.

Nate was using the life seed to do what he did.

Even there the telepaths (including Jean) were able to separate him from Legion, using Jean’s strategy.

All this after Jean went out of her way to avoid fighting him.

And just the images of what she did as Phoenix nearly shut Nate down.

I never thought of Nate as a real character but as a plot device. And if even Warren Ellis, in my opinion, wasn't able to make him interesting it's better to have him dead.
One less McGuffin is a good move.

[PsychoEFrost]

Except he’s not significantly more powerful than everyone. Jean herself as undergone power upgrades.

So have certain other XMen.

Nate was using the life seed to do what he did.

Even there the telepaths (including Jean) were able to separate him from Legion, using Jean’s strategy.

All this after Jean went out of her way to avoid fighting him.

And just the images of what she did as Phoenix nearly shut Nate down.

Historically, Nate has been at or beyond Phoenix level. At his strongest he was a reality breaker on the scale of Scarlet Witch or Franklin Richards. Then they nerfed him several times, but he seems to be near his full power in this event (hence deleting stuff from around the globe with a thought).

[phoenixzero23]

My headcanon is
Phoenix Jean > X-man > Normal Jean

I mean there should be a reason why sinister made him instead of just cloning Jean.

[Portsian]

There's the Nightcrawler, Extremist, NextGen, Prisoner X and the Apocalypse one. Then the Alpha and Omega issues.

Anyone know what these books are about / who is in them?

Also, sorry to nag, but when Jean showed Nate her memories - what are they of? I’ve followed Jean since early 80sand have all bsck stories, but i just cant make out what she is showing him. Its a shame as it is a powerful moment., and I want to appreciate it more!

[PsychoEFrost]

My headcanon is
Phoenix Jean > X-man > Normal Jean

I mean there should be a reason why sinister made him instead of just cloning Jean.

Closer would be:

White Phoenix Jean > Red Suit Phoenix Jean = X-Man > Green Suit Jean > Normal Jean. At least going by what Moira MacTaggert said.

Obviously WPotC is beyond even that scale.

[darewithpeace]

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interesting..

[MechaJeanix]

Anyone know what these books are about / who is in them?

Also, sorry to nag, but when Jean showed Nate her memories - what are they of? I’ve followed Jean since early 80sand have all bsck stories, but i just cant make out what she is showing him. Its a shame as it is a powerful moment., and I want to appreciate it more!

I think Jean was showing Nate the pain he had caused and she was relating to it by discussing what she did when she was one with Phoenix. Which I liked because it shown she had agency as the Phoenix (which some of us recently argued with Rosenberg about on twitter.. since he likes Jean and Phoenix as separate and seemed to think Jean was controlled by it for years, etc).

Others interpreted the scene as Jean making Nate feel the pain that she had caused when she was Phoenix.

Either way she made him feel the pain of others.

I don't think we were supposed to make out all the figures in the rendering.