Jean Grey: Marvel Girl, Phoenix Appreciation 2019

[Harpsikord]

she took care of him and loved him like her own, without asking anything, without obligation. She is a good and loving mom by action not just because she had to.

This, seriously. Remember the issue of X-Force that just came out where Blaquesmith explained that Jean was his mom in all the ways that mattered? And how Cable recognized her as Redd? Jean is his mother. Hell, I'd argue that Jean is more of a mother to Cable than she is to Rachel despite Rachel being biologically hers... which, you know what? Cable is, too. Maddy was Jean's clone. Exact same DNA.

[Havok83]

Jean Grey has never been pregnant and given birth so she shouldnt be shamed for being a bad mother bc its not a role she has ever been put in a position to be obligated to fufill. Its ridiculous how some people expect her to parent grown ass adults from an alternate reality and she is shamed for not being a good mother when these characters, particularly Rachel, are in their 20s

[PsychoEFrost]

Jean Grey has never been pregnant and given birth so she shouldnt be shamed for being a bad mother bc its not a role she has ever been put in a position to be obligated to fufill. Its ridiculous how some people expect her to parent grown ass adults from an alternate reality and she is shamed for not being a good mother when these characters, particularly Rachel, are in their 20s

Even if she didn't give birth directly to them, they are her children, and in Rachel's case badly needed her to help recover from the nightmarish trauma she went through. But Jean was far less than helpful in that regard. Compare that to Logan with Laura or Emma with the Cuckoos.

[Harpsikord]

Cable is not an alternate reality character. He is Nathan Christoper Summers of Earth 616, the baby that was born to Scott Summers and Jean Grey's clone Madelyne Pryor, and later raised as a baby, toddler, child, and pre-teen by Jean Grey and Scott Summers. Jean raised Nathan. She views him as her son just as much as Nathan recognizes Jean as his mother, and to say that's false is just... factually incorrect. Havok83, your icon is even of Jean recognizing Nathan as her son. It doesn't matter if she was ever pregnant, Jean was still Nathan's mother.

Rachel is another matter entirely. She never mothered Rachel like she did Nate, their connection is nothing but genetic.

[Havok83]

Even if she didn't give birth directly to them, they are her children, and in Rachel's case badly needed her to help recover from the nightmarish trauma she went through. But Jean was far less than helpful in that regard. Compare that to Logan with Laura or Emma with the Cuckoos.

No they are not. They werent all even conceived in this reality. Rachel is an adult and her mother died when she was younger. Our Jean has ZERO obligations to her. Its not fair to put the trauma of someone else onto her. Its not like she chose to be a parent and abandoned Rachel.

[spirit2011]

No they are not. They werent all even conceived in this reality. Rachel is an adult and her mother died when she was younger. Our Jean has ZERO obligations to her. Its not fair to put the trauma of someone else onto her. Its not like she chose to be a parent and abandoned Rachel.

yeah. Aldo Jean was just back with a lot of problems of her own. Eventually Jean got over it and accepted Rachel

[PsychoEFrost]

No they are not. They werent all even conceived in this reality. Rachel is an adult and her mother died when she was younger. Our Jean has ZERO obligations to her. Its not fair to put the trauma of someone else onto her. Its not like she chose to be a parent and abandoned Rachel.

So she should just tell her to **** off? That's what empathic heroes do? Yeah, I call massive amounts of BS.

Logan is possibly the worst possible dad in terms of psychos like Daken or Raze. He didn't know Laura till she was 15. He still helped her overcome her trauma, despite him barely managing his own.

Emma never gave birth to the Cuckoos. Yet she accepted them as her daughters, and raised them well despite their creation being a means to destroy all mutants.

yeah. Aldo Jean was just back with a lot of problems of her own. Eventually Jean got over it and accepted Rachel

Someone should tell the X-Office, they didn't get the memo if Red, Gold, and Extermination were any indicator.

[spirit2011]

So she should just tell her to **** off? That's what empathic heroes do? Yeah, I call massive amounts of BS.

Logan is possibly the worst possible dad in terms of psychos like Daken or Raze. He didn't know Laura till she was 15. He still helped her overcome her trauma, despite him barely managing his own.

Emma never gave birth to the Cuckoos. Yet she accepted them as her daughters, and raised them well despite their creation being a means to destroy all mutants.



Someone should tell the X-Office, they didn't get the memo if Red, Gold, and Extermination were any indicator.

what part? on Red Jean accepts Rachel as daughter, she did it before
@JeanGreyFanPage: https://twitter.com/JeanGreyFanPage/...668593664?s=09
it is too bad they barely had time to interact

[Havok83]

So she should just tell her to **** off? That's what empathic heroes do? Yeah, I call massive amounts of BS.

Logan is possibly the worst possible dad in terms of psychos like Daken or Raze. He didn't know Laura till she was 15. He still helped her overcome her trauma, despite him barely managing his own.

Emma never gave birth to the Cuckoos. Yet she accepted them as her daughters, and raised them well despite their creation being a means to destroy all mutants.

Who said Jean should tell her that? When did Jean ever do that upon her recent return? She's had a pretty decent relationship with Rachel and its bc she is an empathetic hero. You are acting like this situation is binary in that either Jean is either a loving perfect mother or monster thats casting her off. You know the situation is much more complex than that. Jean owes her nothing as a parent but as a fellow X-man she should and does treat her with the level of decency and respect that she deserves. People are expecting more out of Jean than Rachel does as even she has come to terms long time ago that this Jean isnt hers and she's grown past that

[Omega Alpha]

Neither Jean nor Scott really owe anything to Rachel, though at when Rachel first met her Jean could have handled the situation much better.

Scott dealt with it very well despite the fact both times Rachel came to the 616, she came whining that Scott was screwing another woman and dressed up just like her mom (ah, the Freudian implications). Though of course one can argue that this is specific situation is easier for men, because some random kid showing up and saying she's your daughter is something much more plausible.

[MarvelMaster616]

what part? on Red Jean accepts Rachel as daughter, she did it before
@JeanGreyFanPage: https://twitter.com/JeanGreyFanPage/...668593664?s=09
it is too bad they barely had time to interact

That is such a sweet montage. Jean has so many strong, maternal instincts. She showed it more than once in X-Men Red. I hope she gets a chance to show it more after Age of X-Man concludes.

[juan678]

new pic

[spirit2011]

Neither Jean nor Scott really owe anything to Rachel, though at when Rachel first met her Jean could have handled the situation much better.

Scott dealt with it very well despite the fact both times Rachel came to the 616, she came whining that Scott was screwing another woman and dressed up just like her mom (ah, the Freudian implications). Though of course one can argue that this is specific situation is easier for men, because some random kid showing up and saying she's your daughter is something much more plausible.

Jean has her own traumas.

She deal with them well most of times, but sometimes no. Jean arrives see the guy she loves married and with a son, things changed. And them a afult woman says that she is your daughter?
It's not easy, Jean wasn't prepared for that. She didn't had room to breathe

[Glio]

Jean did not behave badly with Rachel, it's Scott who behaved absurdly well with her. Jean reacted normally.

[Havok83]

Jean has her own traumas.

She deal with them well most of times, but sometimes no. Jean arrives see the guy she loves married and with a son, things changed. And them a afult woman says that she is your daughter?
It's not easy, Jean wasn't prepared for that. She didn't had room to breathe

When she met Rachel, she was also looking like a Hound and exhibited the Phoenix raptor which Jean had negative association with due to Dark Phoenix and having those memories back. I dont even think she was mean to Rachel. She just turne away from Rachel and cried bc she had a hard time grasping someone a few years younger than her claiming to be her kid. It was alot to handle

Jean did not behave badly with Rachel, it's Scott who behaved absurdly well with her. Jean reacted normally.

Agreed. People act like she was mean and cruel with her