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    Since most of the O5 and Xavier have been on teams outside the X-Men I wonder if they're plans for Jean to do the same.
    Too bad War of the Realms takes place during Age of Nate.
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    Funko has previously made Phoenix figures in the past, but they are hard to find and cost a lot. I think Jean is only rivaled by Wolverine and Deadpool for most kinds of X-Men figures made by Funko, so I think it's a testament to how enduring and popular Jean's Phoenix imagery is.

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    There’s also a new dark phoenix kotobukiya figure coming out in 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Since most of the O5 and Xavier have been on teams outside the X-Men I wonder if they're plans for Jean to do the same.
    Too bad War of the Realms takes place during Age of Nate.
    I don't think there are plans for Jean on teams outside of x-men.

    I really wanted Jean on war of realms, but never mind there is a wolverine phoenix =/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Since most of the O5 and Xavier have been on teams outside the X-Men I wonder if they're plans for Jean to do the same.
    Too bad War of the Realms takes place during Age of Nate.
    Has Jean been on any non X-teams? Until recently it was actually pretty rare for X-Men to be on other teams. For a while it was only really Beast and Wolverine up until Uncanny Avengers. And Storm was on the Fantastic Four for a decent amount of time I think. I'd like to see Jean have an Avengers stint at some point. She's a powerhouse, doesn't have any grudge against them like other X-Men might, and would allow her to develop other connections outside just the X side of the Universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kid View Post
    Has Jean been on any non X-teams? Until recently it was actually pretty rare for X-Men to be on other teams. For a while it was only really Beast and Wolverine up until Uncanny Avengers. And Storm was on the Fantastic Four for a decent amount of time I think. I'd like to see Jean have an Avengers stint at some point. She's a powerhouse, doesn't have any grudge against them like other X-Men might, and would allow her to develop other connections outside just the X side of the Universe.
    Iceman and Angel have long history being on non-X-men going back to the 80s with Champions and Defenders. Jean and Scott are the only O5s that didnt until Scott joined the Champions a few years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5cents View Post
    There’s also a new dark phoenix kotobukiya figure coming out in 2020.
    It looks great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor View Post
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    Been reading Claremont’s Revolution run in UXM and one particular panel got me thinking about Jean and her connection to the PF. A few pages before the attached panel above, Jean, when attacked by an opposing psi, unleashes a huge Phoenix raptor upon him when he attempts to psychically obliterate her most precious memories. After the fight ended, the remaining enemies fled by utilising some sort of teleport mechanism. After they abandoned the scene, Jean spoke in a menacing tone, a similar tone to how Phoenix spoke intimidatingly to Emma Frost, during their first encounter when The White Queen kidnapped Kitty and several other X-members. Now I know during this era, after the psi-switch with Betsy, Jean was fond of using her telepathy to summon a psionic Phoenix raptor, similar to how Psylocke’s ultimate expression of her tp was a psi-knife but the above panel got me thinking.. could Jean’s connection to The Phoenix Force have been re-established a little earlier than when she first rekindled her connection to the entity while fighting the U-Men in New X-Men. Cable, in the above panel, was concerned to the point that he was even considering stabbing her with his Psi-mitar so as to strip her of her abilities. What are your guys’ thoughts? Do you believe Jean was reconnecting with The Phoenix even as early as Claremont’s Revolution run? Maybe her grief over Cyclops’ death caused her to, on a subconscious level, to “open herself up” so that The Phoenix could rekindle it’s connection with her. I haven’t read any further issues so I have no idea if this plot-point was expanded upon further or completely dropped. I don’t think it would be entirely ridiculous to believe that Jean was once again tapping into the PF before Morrison got his hands on her.
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    Jean didnt have the Phoenix Force in Claremont's run. That was made explicit later on when she was confronted with demons from Dark Phoenix when the D'Bari survivor attacked her. There hasnt been any retcons to connect Jean becoming Phoenix in New X-men to Claremont's run.

    FYI, Jean displayed a psionic Phoenix raptor prior to Revolution. She did so in Xmen 70
    Yes and No.

    Claremont's explanation for Jean's raptors in Revolution was that they were her own power, naturally manifesting in the form of the phoenix raptor. Her psychic powers honed to their sharpest edge manifests a raptor. There is also some implication that Jean taking on Betsy's specialized telepathic abilities allowed her to create a physical telepathic raptor the way Betsy created her psychic knife. However, Jean manifested occasional phoenix raptors before the power switch. Claremont posted at ComiX-Fan and the Marvel boards back during his Revolution run. He claimed there was an editorial decision to streamline Jean's iconic imagery so that allowed them to keep the Phoenix imagery with her. The editors didn't want him to use the Phoenix Force proper, so it was portrayed as her own power. Of course since Claremont originally created the Phoenix concept to be Jean's full potential, he mostly wrote it the same way-- with Jean speaking in the Voice, showing higher power levels, and being tempted by her darker side.

    Seagle had Jean manifesting the Phoenix raptor as a part of exploring her potential a bit before that. However, he had also originally planned on Jean reconnecting to the Phoenix Force, but the editors wouldn't allow it. Jean guest starred in Wolverine 125 and 126, written by Claremont, at this time and seemed to have the Phoenix Force. Her raptor is described as celestial fire and was said to be the spark that ignited the creation of the universe and that which would ultimately consume it. Jean also manifested a phoenix raptor in the first Astonishing X-Men mini around this era.

    Even before this era, at the end of Operation Zero Tolerance, Jean manifested a pink psychic raptor. And before that, Jean manifested a Phoenix raptor against Onslaught after he tried tempting her with the Phoenix Force.

    During the X-Factor era--in X-Factor #6, Jean's tk shield formed a raptor like effect when a bad guy's electric attack bounced off of it. In Marvel Comics Presents #15, Jean's telekinetic power formed a phoenix raptor while fighting a morlock who was mimicking the Phoenix Force, to Jean's surprise. In Uncanny X-Men 273, Jean manifests her power as a phoenix raptor against the Shadow King, but to no avail because she didn't have telepathy at that time. Of course in Inferno and Judgment War, Jean used a spark of the Phoenix Force proper, although it was also said to be the part of Phoenix that the Phoenix Force had absorbed from Jean and was now returning.

    Back to Revolution era, Jean basically stopped manifesting the raptor in the main books in Uncanny 387, although Rogue manifests a pink raptor after touching Jean in an issue after that. Jean uses the shadow form with Phoenix eye tattoo for the last time in the issue where Moira dies. Jean continues to manifest phoenix raptors in Search for Cyclops mini and the X-Men Forever mini series. In the X-Men Forever mini series, Jean briefly uses the Phoenix Force proper to convene with Eternity.

    Then in Morrison's run, Jean manifests the Phoenix raptor in New X-Men 120. She first speaks in the Voice in New 126 and the Phoenix Consciousness speaks through her in New 128. Jean continues to use the Phoenix Force through the end of Morrison's run, Phoenix Endsong, as Ghost Jean in Jean Grey, and in Phoenix Resurrection where she gives it up.

    Teen Jean also had moments where she manifested a pink phoenix raptor with her own powers and where she used a spark of the actual Phoenix Force.

    However, like some others have stated, it does seem like Resurrection and Red have effectively interpreted all Jean's phoenix raptor manifestations as being legitimate Phoenix Force manifestations (except maybe for the pink ones Teen Jean had). When the Phoenix Force tells Jean that they can go back to being in hiding in Resurrection #5, it shows Jean in her X-Factor uniform and in the cave from X-Factor's first mission which seems to imply that when she was in X-Factor and denying being or having been Phoenix, that was just the Phoenix Force's way of hiding within her. In X-Men Red, Jean states that she had never been able to use Cerebro without the threat of connecting to or being taken over by the Phoenix. She also stated in the Annual that the Phoenix had held her back because she couldn't explore her potential without risking being taken over by it.

    Claremont also wrote Rachel's Phoenix Eye tattoo and Phoenix Symbol effects (sometimes she manifested the Phoenix Symbol around her body) in Uncanny Reload as her own power and not as her channeling the Phoenix Force. However, later writers seem to reinterpret it as her having a spark of the Phoenix Force. Rachel loses the Phoenix eye tattoo altogether after losing the spark of the Blue Phoenix. Even the toy of Rachel Grey as Marvel Girl states on the box that she had limited Phoenix Force access.

    Even Hope manifested phoenix raptors in her eyes and around her body before the Phoenix Force actually came to Earth and bonded with her.

    So sometimes the Phoenix raptor is Jean/Rachel/Hope's own power and sometimes it is the Phoenix Force and so it often becomes confused or reinterpreted as always the Phoenix Force. This duality will always plague the Phoenix Force because it was originally Jean's own power before it was changed to a cosmic force/being/entity.

    Since the editors wouldn't allow Seagle or Claremont to use the Phoenix Force with Jean, Jean was sorta evolving into a Phoenix on her own without the Force until Morrison was able to actually reconnect Jean with the Phoenix Force. It could be easy to interpret Jean's previous manifestations as her starting to channel Phoenix energies until she actually fully connects to the Phoenix Consciousness in Morrison's run. Here Comes Tomorrow establishes that it is part of Jean's mutation to connect to and channel the Phoenix. End of Greys also supports this with Jean and Rachel.

    They seem to have continued the idea of Jean being Phoenix-like without the Force with Teen Jean's pink form and raptor. Phoenix even says that Galactus was intimidated by two Phoenixes (Adult Jean with Phoenix Force and Teen Jean with her pink form and pink raptor). Teen Jean was also shown to be Phoenix-like by reforming herself (Poison's storyline) and controlling the White Hot Room (Jean Grey 11).

    Of course Jean being the "perfect vessel" and "prime host" of the Phoenix may also explain her Phoenix-like attributes even when she doesn't have the Force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixStudies View Post
    Yes and No.

    Claremont's explanation for Jean's raptors in Revolution was that they were her own power, naturally manifesting in the form of the phoenix raptor. Her psychic powers honed to their sharpest edge manifests a raptor. There is also some implication that Jean taking on Betsy's specialized telepathic abilities allowed her to create a physical telepathic raptor the way Betsy created her psychic knife. However, Jean manifested occasional phoenix raptors before the power switch. Claremont posted at ComiX-Fan and the Marvel boards back during his Revolution run. He claimed there was an editorial decision to streamline Jean's iconic imagery so that allowed them to keep the Phoenix imagery with her. The editors didn't want him to use the Phoenix Force proper, so it was portrayed as her own power. Of course since Claremont originally created the Phoenix concept to be Jean's full potential, he mostly wrote it the same way-- with Jean speaking in the Voice, showing higher power levels, and being tempted by her darker side.

    Seagle had Jean manifesting the Phoenix raptor as a part of exploring her potential a bit before that. However, he had also originally planned on Jean reconnecting to the Phoenix Force, but the editors wouldn't allow it. Jean guest starred in Wolverine 125 and 126, written by Claremont, at this time and seemed to have the Phoenix Force. Her raptor is described as celestial fire and was said to be the spark that ignited the creation of the universe and that which would ultimately consume it. Jean also manifested a phoenix raptor in the first Astonishing X-Men mini around this era.

    Even before this era, at the end of Operation Zero Tolerance, Jean manifested a pink psychic raptor. And before that, Jean manifested a Phoenix raptor against Onslaught after he tried tempting her with the Phoenix Force.

    During the X-Factor era--in X-Factor #6, Jean's tk shield formed a raptor like effect when a bad guy's electric attack bounced off of it. In Marvel Comics Presents #15, Jean's telekinetic power formed a phoenix raptor while fighting a morlock who was mimicking the Phoenix Force, to Jean's surprise. In Uncanny X-Men 273, Jean manifests her power as a phoenix raptor against the Shadow King, but to no avail because she didn't have telepathy at that time. Of course in Inferno and Judgment War, Jean used a spark of the Phoenix Force proper, although it was also said to be the part of Phoenix that the Phoenix Force had absorbed from Jean and was now returning.

    Back to Revolution era, Jean basically stopped manifesting the raptor in the main books in Uncanny 387, although Rogue manifests a pink raptor after touching Jean in an issue after that. Jean uses the shadow form with Phoenix eye tattoo for the last time in the issue where Moira dies. Jean continues to manifest phoenix raptors in Search for Cyclops mini and the X-Men Forever mini series. In the X-Men Forever mini series, Jean briefly uses the Phoenix Force proper to convene with Eternity.

    Then in Morrison's run, Jean manifests the Phoenix raptor in New X-Men 120. She first speaks in the Voice in New 126 and the Phoenix Consciousness speaks through her in New 128. Jean continues to use the Phoenix Force through the end of Morrison's run, Phoenix Endsong, as Ghost Jean in Jean Grey, and in Phoenix Resurrection where she gives it up.

    Teen Jean also had moments where she manifested a pink phoenix raptor with her own powers and where she used a spark of the actual Phoenix Force.

    However, like some others have stated, it does seem like Resurrection and Red have effectively interpreted all Jean's phoenix raptor manifestations as being legitimate Phoenix Force manifestations (except maybe for the pink ones Teen Jean had). When the Phoenix Force tells Jean that they can go back to being in hiding in Resurrection #5, it shows Jean in her X-Factor uniform and in the cave from X-Factor's first mission which seems to imply that when she was in X-Factor and denying being or having been Phoenix, that was just the Phoenix Force's way of hiding within her. In X-Men Red, Jean states that she had never been able to use Cerebro without the threat of connecting to or being taken over by the Phoenix. She also stated in the Annual that the Phoenix had held her back because she couldn't explore her potential without risking being taken over by it.

    Claremont also wrote Rachel's Phoenix Eye tattoo and Phoenix Symbol effects (sometimes she manifested the Phoenix Symbol around her body) in Uncanny Reload as her own power and not as her channeling the Phoenix Force. However, later writers seem to reinterpret it as her having a spark of the Phoenix Force. Rachel loses the Phoenix eye tattoo altogether after losing the spark of the Blue Phoenix. Even the toy of Rachel Grey as Marvel Girl states on the box that she had limited Phoenix Force access.

    Even Hope manifested phoenix raptors in her eyes and around her body before the Phoenix Force actually came to Earth and bonded with her.

    So sometimes the Phoenix raptor is Jean/Rachel/Hope's own power and sometimes it is the Phoenix Force and so it often becomes confused or reinterpreted as always the Phoenix Force. This duality will always plague the Phoenix Force because it was originally Jean's own power before it was changed to a cosmic force/being/entity.

    Since the editors wouldn't allow Seagle or Claremont to use the Phoenix Force with Jean, Jean was sorta evolving into a Phoenix on her own without the Force until Morrison was able to actually reconnect Jean with the Phoenix Force. It could be easy to interpret Jean's previous manifestations as her starting to channel Phoenix energies until she actually fully connects to the Phoenix Consciousness in Morrison's run. Here Comes Tomorrow establishes that it is part of Jean's mutation to connect to and channel the Phoenix. End of Greys also supports this with Jean and Rachel.

    They seem to have continued the idea of Jean being Phoenix-like without the Force with Teen Jean's pink form and raptor. Phoenix even says that Galactus was intimidated by two Phoenixes (Adult Jean with Phoenix Force and Teen Jean with her pink form and pink raptor). Teen Jean was also shown to be Phoenix-like by reforming herself (Poison's storyline) and controlling the White Hot Room (Jean Grey 11).

    Of course Jean being the "perfect vessel" and "prime host" of the Phoenix may also explain her Phoenix-like attributes even when she doesn't have the Force.
    WOW! This post was jam-packed with info lol. Thanks very much for your input.

    Yeah, in my opinion, fiction is ultimately up to the reader’s personal interpretation. If you want to believe Jean had a connection to the PF since the X-Factor days, you can choose to believe that or you are also free to interpret it as Jean fully embracing the Phoenix mantle and demonstrating that devotion through her tp displayals.

    Personally and despite my previous post concerning Revolution Jean’s relationship w/the PF, I choose to believe she had control of the PF from UXM #101 - #137, from X-Factor till the beginning of New X-Men (excluding certain instances like when she absorbed a spark of the PF at the conclusion of Inferno) she was a straightline tepe/teke, then in NXM, Phoenix Endsong, Resurrection #5, she gained control of the PF again and finally during Red, 2018’s UXM, she’s gone back to having strictly tp & tk. I expect her to rekindle her connection with the PF in a few years time but for now, I’m perfectly content with her going it alone and focusing on the further development of her psionic powers without the aid of The Phoenix.

    One thing’s for sure, her connection to The Phoenix and the Phoenix mythos is deeply, deeply intriguing. Any Jean fan, I’m sure, could spend hours upon hours wracking their brain and ruminating over her complex relationship with The Phoenix lol

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    Assuming jean ends up on a team without nigjtfrawler (or even with him...but just for the sake of argument).

    How would you feel about pickles being Jean’s “Lockheed”-like sidekick that kitty pryde has. Basically, not a main character bur someone who has a great relationship with jean, is loyal, and who jean respects and adores.

    After all, teen jean is adult jean, so she has already built a relationship with him. And while I didn’t read hopeless’ anxm, it seems jean is the one who pickles developed the best rapport with after all was said and done.

    Personally I think it could be a cool little side thing that’s rarely discussed but every now and then maybe rheybshare meaningful story moments. In other words it doesn’t have to be a defining relationship but just a cool dimension to a character who , frankly, I believe could stand to have some new relationships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maestro 216 View Post
    It looks great.
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    Can't wait, these figs have gotten a lot better lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhitePhoenix View Post
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    Can't wait, these figs have gotten a lot better lately.
    I like the new pose. It's less sexual than the last one. However, I'm annoyed they're still making the mistake of not removing the black around the Phoenix emblem for Dark Phoenix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhitePhoenix View Post
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    Can't wait, these figs have gotten a lot better lately.
    I don't think the face and hair are exactly Jean, the sash Phoenix should be on the right hip and the back gold boot has skin tone coloring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixStudies View Post
    Yes and No.

    Claremont's explanation for Jean's raptors in Revolution was that they were her own power, naturally manifesting in the form of the phoenix raptor. Her psychic powers honed to their sharpest edge manifests a raptor. There is also some implication that Jean taking on Betsy's specialized telepathic abilities allowed her to create a physical telepathic raptor the way Betsy created her psychic knife. However, Jean manifested occasional phoenix raptors before the power switch. Claremont posted at ComiX-Fan and the Marvel boards back during his Revolution run. He claimed there was an editorial decision to streamline Jean's iconic imagery so that allowed them to keep the Phoenix imagery with her. The editors didn't want him to use the Phoenix Force proper, so it was portrayed as her own power. Of course since Claremont originally created the Phoenix concept to be Jean's full potential, he mostly wrote it the same way-- with Jean speaking in the Voice, showing higher power levels, and being tempted by her darker side.

    Seagle had Jean manifesting the Phoenix raptor as a part of exploring her potential a bit before that. However, he had also originally planned on Jean reconnecting to the Phoenix Force, but the editors wouldn't allow it. Jean guest starred in Wolverine 125 and 126, written by Claremont, at this time and seemed to have the Phoenix Force. Her raptor is described as celestial fire and was said to be the spark that ignited the creation of the universe and that which would ultimately consume it. Jean also manifested a phoenix raptor in the first Astonishing X-Men mini around this era.

    Even before this era, at the end of Operation Zero Tolerance, Jean manifested a pink psychic raptor. And before that, Jean manifested a Phoenix raptor against Onslaught after he tried tempting her with the Phoenix Force.

    During the X-Factor era--in X-Factor #6, Jean's tk shield formed a raptor like effect when a bad guy's electric attack bounced off of it. In Marvel Comics Presents #15, Jean's telekinetic power formed a phoenix raptor while fighting a morlock who was mimicking the Phoenix Force, to Jean's surprise. In Uncanny X-Men 273, Jean manifests her power as a phoenix raptor against the Shadow King, but to no avail because she didn't have telepathy at that time. Of course in Inferno and Judgment War, Jean used a spark of the Phoenix Force proper, although it was also said to be the part of Phoenix that the Phoenix Force had absorbed from Jean and was now returning.

    Back to Revolution era, Jean basically stopped manifesting the raptor in the main books in Uncanny 387, although Rogue manifests a pink raptor after touching Jean in an issue after that. Jean uses the shadow form with Phoenix eye tattoo for the last time in the issue where Moira dies. Jean continues to manifest phoenix raptors in Search for Cyclops mini and the X-Men Forever mini series. In the X-Men Forever mini series, Jean briefly uses the Phoenix Force proper to convene with Eternity.

    Then in Morrison's run, Jean manifests the Phoenix raptor in New X-Men 120. She first speaks in the Voice in New 126 and the Phoenix Consciousness speaks through her in New 128. Jean continues to use the Phoenix Force through the end of Morrison's run, Phoenix Endsong, as Ghost Jean in Jean Grey, and in Phoenix Resurrection where she gives it up.

    Teen Jean also had moments where she manifested a pink phoenix raptor with her own powers and where she used a spark of the actual Phoenix Force.

    However, like some others have stated, it does seem like Resurrection and Red have effectively interpreted all Jean's phoenix raptor manifestations as being legitimate Phoenix Force manifestations (except maybe for the pink ones Teen Jean had). When the Phoenix Force tells Jean that they can go back to being in hiding in Resurrection #5, it shows Jean in her X-Factor uniform and in the cave from X-Factor's first mission which seems to imply that when she was in X-Factor and denying being or having been Phoenix, that was just the Phoenix Force's way of hiding within her. In X-Men Red, Jean states that she had never been able to use Cerebro without the threat of connecting to or being taken over by the Phoenix. She also stated in the Annual that the Phoenix had held her back because she couldn't explore her potential without risking being taken over by it.

    Claremont also wrote Rachel's Phoenix Eye tattoo and Phoenix Symbol effects (sometimes she manifested the Phoenix Symbol around her body) in Uncanny Reload as her own power and not as her channeling the Phoenix Force. However, later writers seem to reinterpret it as her having a spark of the Phoenix Force. Rachel loses the Phoenix eye tattoo altogether after losing the spark of the Blue Phoenix. Even the toy of Rachel Grey as Marvel Girl states on the box that she had limited Phoenix Force access.

    Even Hope manifested phoenix raptors in her eyes and around her body before the Phoenix Force actually came to Earth and bonded with her.

    So sometimes the Phoenix raptor is Jean/Rachel/Hope's own power and sometimes it is the Phoenix Force and so it often becomes confused or reinterpreted as always the Phoenix Force. This duality will always plague the Phoenix Force because it was originally Jean's own power before it was changed to a cosmic force/being/entity.

    Since the editors wouldn't allow Seagle or Claremont to use the Phoenix Force with Jean, Jean was sorta evolving into a Phoenix on her own without the Force until Morrison was able to actually reconnect Jean with the Phoenix Force. It could be easy to interpret Jean's previous manifestations as her starting to channel Phoenix energies until she actually fully connects to the Phoenix Consciousness in Morrison's run. Here Comes Tomorrow establishes that it is part of Jean's mutation to connect to and channel the Phoenix. End of Greys also supports this with Jean and Rachel.

    Of course Jean being the "perfect vessel" and "prime host" of the Phoenix may also explain her Phoenix-like attributes even when she doesn't have the Force.
    You said it, there are so many times that Jean has manifested the Phoenix raptor over the years when she was not hosting the force. Her connection to it is something really special.

    I've developed a head canon about it that has to do with Different bits and pieces of X-men lore together.

    >First point, Jean grey has a special connection to the Phoenix, similar to Hope Summers. So the periods of Jean manifesting the raptor without hosting the force, could be similar to Hope manifesting the raptor without the force. Same with Rachel when she had the Phoenix eye tattoo.

    >Next point, Hope was manifesting the raptor as a sign of the Phoenix getting close to earth to possess her. Jeans connection is sort of different, the Phoenix is like a secondary mutation to her, so she manifests the raptor as she achieves more of her omega potential.

    >reasons for this; Death told Jean that her soul was carved from the Phoenix flames,
    Phoenix has claimed that Jean is a missing piece of it,
    HCT Beast said that Phoenix power was in Jean greys blood and used it to give him self Phoenix abilities,
    Apocalypse in his files during X-Factor stated that the potential/Power of the Phoenix was still in side Jean grey, dormant and he wondered if he should activate it,
    Onslaught also approached Jean grey that he could help her achieve the power of the Phoenix that was dormant in her.
    And Sinister saw the potential in Jean grey, which is why he wanted a version of her to fight Apocalypse with
    Even as a 12 year old, Jean manifested the Phoenix raptor on the astral plane

    So her Phoenix connection is something innate and I believe that connection gets stronger as she uses more powet

    >More proof is Jean telling Xavier that the Phoenix talks to her and that if she let's it too close it would replace her in New Xmen, and how Jean Exploring her powers of high level telekinesis, was said to be a phenomenon called manifestation of the Phoenix, found in The Shiar telekines

    This is backed up by Xmen: Black Sun where she was using her power at high levels to take out an army of Demons, while at the same time draining her teammates of fatigue and amping their powers, she starts to hear the Phoenix song in her mind and she denies it

    Then there's Uncanny X-Men 355/356 where she told Scott she was no longer holding back her powers because others were scared, and started manifesting the a fiery Raptor

    And in X-Factor, when a mutant with power amping abilities increased her power, and her shields took Form of a raptor

    All this is further proven by Xmen Red annual with Jean saying that before she couldn't use her full power without fear of the Phoenix taking over, and saying that she always had to hold back while using cerebro or it would have taken over. Which proves that Jean grey accessing higher levels of her power leads to ascension as the Phoenix.

    > This limited Connection explain why Jean can manifest a Firebird, but won't be able to breathe in space, survive in the sun or lift an asteroid and do other things that she can comfortably do while hosting the Phoenix force.
    Also explains how she could remove the Phoenix from Emma frost or take over its mind (the white hot room)
    Or why she manifested it when she was 12 years old
    We even know that the Phoenix came to Jean during her miniskirt marvel girl days, but didn't possess her because she wasn't ready (Hidden Years)

    >I don't think the Phoenix is really gone from Jean right now. I think it's dormant and hiding it's connection, waiting to resurface later in the year when the Dark Phoenix movie comes out.

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