At the same time, Scott just seems like an easy target for hate and ridicule out of a majority of characters. I'm not sure what it is. I mean, yeah he has made errors but for some reason they seem to be considered more prominent than for others.
At the same time, Scott just seems like an easy target for hate and ridicule out of a majority of characters. I'm not sure what it is. I mean, yeah he has made errors but for some reason they seem to be considered more prominent than for others.
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Let's be clear on how this started. I replied to an assertion that these traits have always been a part of Scott's character. I never claimed that he had never been portrayed that way. Now, I stated, and still believe, that the fairly clear majority of the time he was not portrayed that way. I mean 1963 until Morrison left
Also, let's not confuse a teenage boy filled with insecurities, feeling he's been cursed by his powers with a husband having an affair with his wife. At least in terms of being morally flawed. Or for that matter what kind of husband he was to Maddie in the end. In my own personal viewpoint he did not cross the same lines there, but it sure wasn't good.
I'm with you with the Captain America comparison. I want the guy who was if not the moral conscience of the team, among them. But you can't do that when you continue to do the things they've done with the character. He simply becomes that character. If they are Hank and Jan, you see where they wound up. I'm not sure if I go for that comparison. Scott never hit her.
It really is a moot argument to some extent. I'm continuing to argue a past that doesn't matter at this point. They chose to take the character in these directions, for better or worse. Of course, they can bring him back and write him the way we might like. Thing is, how long before another writer comes along and decides he liked the Cyclops we don't like? It's all in bounds because it's been done multiple times already.
Pretty much sums up my feelings. I've complained about Scott more because he was my favorite X Man. Nowhere have I argued that he is the only character they have butchered. That's how I don't read the comics anymore. Tired of watching some of my favorites portrayed in a way I just could not abide.
I'm wasting enough time here arguing a character I did care about without getting into character that I don't particularly care about objectively feel were mishandled. And absolutely what some of these characters have done makes Scott look like a choir boy in comparison. Morrison's Scott isn't someone I think anyone should call a villain. A flawed man. More flawed than I want him to be.
Some people want the real world, I don't. People have affairs all the time there. I want characters like Scott and Jean, I could list many others, to be better than that. Certainly there have been many characters created to be more flawed. When they wanted a morally flawed Captain America, they didn't change Steve Rogers, they created John Walker.
I like the flawed version of Scott better than the boyscout. Can't deny that. I just don't want him to keep being reset to factory settings and then changed again because it doesn't work for him anymore.
When it comes to Jean, I can understand the appeal of the "one true love". I love them together, they'll always be my favorite couple, but I'd rather have it end for real and have them split. Look at this very thread. The affair is the main point of discussion for pages and pages. It can't be undone, Jean was dead for 13 years and Scott was with Emma for 8 years. No matter how much anyone roots for it, think about it positively or whatever, this is how it will be and, even if she apparently forgave him, it will be brought up.
I like Scott and Jean together as a couple more than I care about fan angst in this forum. Butthurt over a 15-year-old story shouldn't preclude new Jott stories from being told.
The affair remains such a sticking point because Marvel never gave it a truly satisfactory emotional resolution. Morrison bungled the execution, and subsequent creative teams enjoyed playing with Scemma too much to go back and address it. Now, a decade and a half later, Marvel has drawn a line under it and moved on. Marvel doesn't want to deal with it any depth or detail. Jean has forgiven Scott, and they've reconciled. They've gotten over it, and so should we.
Jott thread, it doesn't mean it has to be to bash other ships or characters. Just love for Jean, Scott, Jott.
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I've just gone through and cleaned up a bit of this thread. I've had to delete a lot of content that was either off-topic, insulting to users or creators or simply daft. I even had to hand out a couple of temp bans.
I don't like doing this sort of thing, it's definitely not fun. I know community members don't like to see posts suddenly gone either.
Please keep the conversation on topic. Please keep the conversation civil.
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Was browsing Twitter and it looks like we'll be getting another Dark Phoenix trailer very soon. Hope this means we'll get a glimpse of Sophie Turner going full-Phoenix. I hope it also shows some quality Scott/Jean moments, something we didn't get in X3. Based on all the interviews we've gotten thus far, this movie is really going to play up that relationship, much more so than X3 ever did. I think that's critical because that's not just more in line with the comics. It gives the Phoenix the kind of dramatic weight that helped make it such an iconic story. Kinberg has already admitted that it was a mistake to make the Phoenix a sub-plot. It sounds like it's going to be the main plot here and that can only help.
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I hope so, i want to watch something with Jean and Scott has a couple and not the angst and drama that Marvel wants this relationship to be.
But Dark Phoenix looks like a bomb to be honest. I hope i'm wrong.
I love this and OMG is Jean a super sayan!?
Being logical, I think what they would do at the moment of seeing each other is to jump into each other's arms and kiss each other again. Of course it is unlikely that this happens even if it is the most logical, as I say Scott surely see Jean with Bishop or whoever and decide to get away from them ... eventually Jean will know that Scott has returned and then have an internal fight for return with Scott or continue with Bishop, maybe some writer says that as Scott left Jean prefers to stay with Bishop since Scott did not want to fight for her (Jean knows Scott better than anyone else, so she should not be surprised by the insecurity that he has, but maybe she feels pain because he does not think she loves him enough?)
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