Jean & Scott- The Phoenix & Cyclops Appreciation 2019

[Havok83]

I liked Phoenix resurrection but Jean only appeared at the end. She had a cool reunion with Scott but there was little with the other x-men.
Also at least 3 issues were filler.

Agreed



These panels are the extent of Jean;s "big welcome" party in PR. She doesnt really reunite with anyone and even then its devoid of life. Ororo and Bobby barely exchange words with her. We dont get much in Red but at least its less sterile than this

True, but it was still better than Scott, who only got even his brother whining about him causing the mutants to die or something and his granddaughter shooting his eye out and refusing to apologize or show any concern whatsoever. The only sign of any affection was that hug with Dani, made hilarious by her teammates reaction .

Almost everyone (well most) that Scott had meaningful connection to is presumed dead. Those reunions obviously couldnt have happened yet and we will have to wait on them

[Omega Alpha]

Almost everyone (well most) that Scott had meaningful connection to is presumed dead. Those reunions obviously couldnt have happened yet and we will have to wait on them

He has a brother and a granddaughter and those two seem to hate him for some reason. No contact with his father. Illyana was a friend and teammate for months or years and barely seems to know him. Still, he got that hilarious hug, better than nothing I suppose.

[Havok83]

He has a brother and a granddaughter and those two seem to hate him for some reason. No contact with his father. Illyana was a friend and teammate for months or years and barely seems to know him. Still, he got that hilarious hug, better than nothing I suppose.

So your complaint is that people arent more happy to see Scott, not that we arent getting reunions for him?

As for Hope, she and Scott have always had a tumultuous relationship. Sher's not really his granddaughter and have never had that type of relationship. She first met him after Cable "died" and now she's back with him again after Cable has died. She doesnt hate Scott but does have a chip on her shoulders which has little to do with him

[Omega Alpha]

So your complaint is that people arent more happy to see Scott, not that we arent getting reunions for him?

As for Hope, she and Scott have always had a tumultuous relationship. Sher's not really his granddaughter and have never had that type of relationship. She first met him after Cable "died" and now she's back with him again after Cable has died. She doesnt hate Scott but does have a chip on her shoulders which has little to do with him

Nah, my complaint is that the only people that acknowledge Scott being alive seem to do nothing but whine about him for stuff that make no sense whatsoever. Havok complains about Scott driving the X-men to the ground when the last times we saw Scott alive he was doing a MLK-style march (UXM #600) and running his own mutant nation (Time Runs Out); if anything, the last few years prove they can barely function without him.

And of course Hope is his granddaughter- she's Cable's daughter, and he's Scott's son, being adopted doesn't make them less family.

[Havok83]

Nah, my complaint is that the only people that acknowledge Scott being alive seem to do nothing but whine about him for stuff that make no sense whatsoever. Havok complains about Scott driving the X-men to the ground when the last times we saw Scott alive he was doing a MLK-style march (UXM #600) and running his own mutant nation (Time Runs Out); if anything, the last few years prove they can barely function without him.

And of course Hope is his granddaughter- she's Cable's daughter, and he's Scott's son, being adopted doesn't make them less family.

Cable never adopted Hope. He raised her and is she considers him to be her father but there was no adoption. As far as she and Scott, Im saying thats not a relationship they've ever had so prefacing that as if its supposed to carry more weight doesnt bc Scott's never looked at her as such and vice versa. They're only connection to each other is Cable and he's never been around to act as a link to that. The word grandfather has been used in the recent UXM run but always laced with sarcasm

[Omega Alpha]

Cable never adopted Hope. He raised her and is she considers him to be her father but there was no adoption. As far as she and Scott, Im saying thats not a relationship they've ever had so prefacing that as if its supposed to carry more weight doesnt bc Scott's never looked at her as such and vice versa. They're only connection to each other is Cable and he's never been around to act as a link to that. The word grandfather has been used in the recent UXM run but always laced with sarcasm

Not legally, but after you raise a child for 16 years, you're the father, and both acknowledged each other as such. And while they had problems, in no small part because Nathan wasn't there, their relationship had evolved and grown during their time in Utopia.

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[Decoy]

I agree with the sentiment that perhaps a mini set after HOX that would address the relationship issues (similar to Gambit and Rogue last year)........have them team up against a mutual foe/ problem (Vulcan, Deathbird, Sinister and his endless Clone armies, even Time Travel.....), discuss the various hurdles they’ll undoubtedly have after being apart for so long, the hopeful rekindling of their relationship.......etc.......or better yet, Cyclops and Phoenix Monthly, with the first arc addressing the current relationship issues that shouldn’t have been a issue 15 or so years ago if Morrison/ Quesada hadn’t f’d things up......

I have a feeling HOX would at best gloss or imply something, unless there’s a panel we haven’t seen yet that confirms they’re back on track......

[Decoy]

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Is that a HOX Variant?

[Havok83]

Is that a HOX Variant?

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[FUBAR007]

Well that’s Lazy writing. Jean had this big welcome back party from everyone for her return. Not literally a party but u get my drift.
4 things that can’t be ignored
1-explanation to wth happened to all the other X-men/AoXm ramifications
2-everyone’s reaction to Scott being alive
3-some type of closure to Jott
4-everyone’s reaction to Xavier being alive

There’s more,but those 4 can’t just be glossed over and then jump straight into HoX/PoX

The current X-office isn't terribly interested in old-school, Claremont/Lobdell-style "quiet issues" that deal with this sort of stuff. They want action, action, action.

With regard to "closure to Jott", Rosenberg has stated that's what the brief reunion scene between Scott and Jean in Phoenix Resurrection was for. And, I'm pretty sure that's all we're ever going to get. Marvel has no interest in doing a proper epilogue to Morrison's run or any kind of cathartic therapy session on their marital problems. It's been too long, and Marvel doesn't do those kinds of stories anymore.

All indications are that Hickman is doing a soft reboot of the franchise (just as Morrison did 18 years ago). As such, I expect Scott and Jean will be re-baselined and unofficially de-aged again along with the rest of the core cast. Their history will still technically be in continuity, but their new stories won't necessarily be a logical or consistent extrapolation of that history. Scott, Jean, and their relationship will be whatever Hickman has decided they will be.

[FUBAR007]

No she didnt. Marvel really didnt do much for her when she got back. They glossed over it and we didnt really get to see Jean learn about things that happened since she died or react to it. Rachel (and arguably Kurt) was the only significant reunion Jean had

These days, unfortunately, much of the interesting stuff happens off-panel, if at all.

Provides lots of fertile ground for fanfic, though.

[Zelena]

The current X-office isn't terribly interested in old-school, Claremont/Lobdell-style "quiet issues" that deal with this sort of stuff. They want action, action, action.

Do they need a great writer for that?

[FUBAR007]

Do they need a great writer for that?

Bluntly, no.

But, such character-driven "quiet issues" are considered by contemporary Marvel to be "comics about comics"--undesirably dense, too referential to character history, too lacking in spectacle, and thus (in Marvel's view) off-putting to new readers.*

*This is, of course, bullshit. New readers--especially young readers--LOVE stepping into dense fictional worlds rich in history. See: the Harry Potter franchise, the Star Wars franchise, Game of Thrones, and on and on.

[Zelena]

I think that a serious writer would be afraid by the sheer number of characters in the X-men world.
But action-action-action… with interchangeable characters who don't remember their past interactions… who wouldn't be quickly bored by that?
A Scott Summers without his issues, fears and courage and Jean without… (I don't know what to say with Jean Grey… her main problem was starting with being just "the girl of the team").
I suggest a poll… what do the readers want from comics?