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    I dig this combination. if Barry and John are the ones interacting with the JSA, I think it's an interesting choice to have John and Alan interact considering John's powerset being more in-line (in theory) with Jade's. Minus the magical aspect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holt View Post
    Wow that coverlooks good!

    When I first saw this I thought this was either a new story arc that focuses on Green Lantern and The Flash or a new Green Lantern/The Flash dynamic ongoing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holt View Post
    I'm having flashbacks to the DCAU JL two-parter where John & Wally met the Justice Guild.



    I remember this scene. I was amazed it was not edited out. Great and subtle storytelling.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Shaw View Post
    I'm having flashbacks to the DCAU JL two-parter where John & Wally met the Justice Guild.



    I remember this scene. I was amazed it was not edited out. Great and subtle storytelling.

    Great catch! I didn't even make that connection, it makes sense considering Snyder's inspiration for this line-up was the Justice League animated series.

    Man the writing on that show was masterful, I never took in that line when I was a kid but when I got older it was it just clicked. It's no wonder so many new readers now (myself included) were drawn into the DC comics from the cartoon. It's unfortunate how many people I meet who loved the cartoon but grew up to prefer Marvel's comics when they decided to read the comics. That's the thing about brand consistency I guess.
    THE SIGNAL (Duke Thomas) is DC's secret shonen protagonist so I made him a fandom wiki

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonpeace View Post
    Great catch! I didn't even make that connection, it makes sense considering Snyder's inspiration for this line-up was the Justice League animated series.

    Man the writing on that show was masterful, I never took in that line when I was a kid but when I got older it was it just clicked. It's no wonder so many new readers now (myself included) were drawn into the DC comics from the cartoon. It's unfortunate how many people I meet who loved the cartoon but grew up to prefer Marvel's comics when they decided to read the comics. That's the thing about brand consistency I guess.
    Yup, the cartoon is pretty much what got me into reading comics general. I do read more Marvel comics now, though. I collect more TPBs currently at Marvel. The Green Lantern/Flash dynamic was amazing on the show. Scott Snyder seems to be very fond of the dynamic where we get to see similar dynamics in the comics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sodam Yat View Post
    Yup, the cartoon is pretty much what got me into reading comics general. I do read more Marvel comics now, though. I collect more TPBs currently at Marvel. The Green Lantern/Flash dynamic was amazing on the show. Scott Snyder seems to be very fond of the dynamic where we get to see similar dynamics in the comics.
    Because Scott recognizes the importance of respecting the legacy of DC comics while incorporating elements from wider media that made new generations fall in love with the characters. This concept, I believe, is why Marvel has a higher retention rate when people cross over, they are more willing to adapt with changing sensibilities and incorporate popular ideas from outside of the comic lore into the lore; DC is far more hesitant about that. At least, that's my hypothesis based on personal experience.
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    I like John's Young Justice costume:



    I'd justice replace the gauntlets and give him black gloves like the below:



    I'd also center the logo on the green part of his costume instead of having it hang off onto the black.

    I can imagine the seams lighting up like Flash's costume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonpeace View Post
    Great catch! I didn't even make that connection, it makes sense considering Snyder's inspiration for this line-up was the Justice League animated series.

    Man the writing on that show was masterful, I never took in that line when I was a kid but when I got older it was it just clicked. It's no wonder so many new readers now (myself included) were drawn into the DC comics from the cartoon. It's unfortunate how many people I meet who loved the cartoon but grew up to prefer Marvel's comics when they decided to read the comics. That's the thing about brand consistency I guess.
    Yup I feel you on that. DC animation is what got me into the DC characters in the first place. JLU, Teen Titans, Static Shock and later shows like Brave and the Bold and Young Justice. Unfortunately the comics just aren't as good as the shows, especially in regards to diversity.
    Done with DC. Can't handle the constant whiplash! Time to go on a hiatus!

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Gato View Post
    Yup I feel you on that. DC animation is what got me into the DC characters in the first place. JLU, Teen Titans, Static Shock and later shows like Brave and the Bold and Young Justice. Unfortunately the comics just aren't as good as the shows, especially in regards to diversity.
    The DC animated movies are better than the comics
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    Justice League #26 preview featuring some wholesome John and Barry interaction in this Scott Snyder interview for >>multiversitycomics.com<<
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonpeace View Post
    Because Scott recognizes the importance of respecting the legacy of DC comics while incorporating elements from wider media that made new generations fall in love with the characters. This concept, I believe, is why Marvel has a higher retention rate when people cross over, they are more willing to adapt with changing sensibilities and incorporate popular ideas from outside of the comic lore into the lore; DC is far more hesitant about that. At least, that's my hypothesis based on personal experience.
    All you have to do is look at Black Panther. We have yet ANOTHER Black Panther series coming and they are using Okeye. That book might last 6 issues but that is another series starring them on the shelves and now 8 different Panther related books since 2016.


    Man the writing on that show was masterful, I never took in that line when I was a kid but when I got older it was it just clicked. It's no wonder so many new readers now (myself included) were drawn into the DC comics from the cartoon. It's unfortunate how many people I meet who loved the cartoon but grew up to prefer Marvel's comics when they decided to read the comics. That's the thing about brand consistency I guess.
    One thing the Marvel side did at least until Thor 2 was made sure whoever you saw in the cartoons or movies was ACTIVE in the comics.
    Even the X-Men-you saw a mixed up roster but everyone on those teams were active in comics until Jean & Xavier died.

    You could go into a store or library and find SOMETHING with them in it. In some case it was a solo book.

    Dc on the other hand did the same thing until Batman The Animated Series. Babs was no longer Batgirl. Justice League cartoon started as John nor Hawkgirl were active when that show started. Teen Titans-excluding the leads-most of the guest cast was not active in comics. The biggest offender was Young Justice. Aside from Tim-everyone else was MIA at some point of still during that run and restart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonpeace View Post
    Great catch! I didn't even make that connection, it makes sense considering Snyder's inspiration for this line-up was the Justice League animated series.

    Man the writing on that show was masterful, I never took in that line when I was a kid but when I got older it was it just clicked. It's no wonder so many new readers now (myself included) were drawn into the DC comics from the cartoon. It's unfortunate how many people I meet who loved the cartoon but grew up to prefer Marvel's comics when they decided to read the comics. That's the thing about brand consistency I guess.
    I literally lol'ed when I first watched that scene because that had happened to me a few times. The racism was unintentional, but still racist.

    I was hoping to see that level of subtlety in the books, but that was few & far between.

    It was the DCAU that got me reading DC comics again. I read a few comics during Pre-Crisis, but went full Marvel after the Crisis. As a kid in the 1980's, I had to spend wisely.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sodam Yat View Post
    Yup, the cartoon is pretty much what got me into reading comics general. I do read more Marvel comics now, though. I collect more TPBs currently at Marvel. The Green Lantern/Flash dynamic was amazing on the show. Scott Snyder seems to be very fond of the dynamic where we get to see similar dynamics in the comics.
    It was never a dull moment with John & Wally. They really seemed like brothers on that show. It would have been nice to have seen that translated into the comics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Shaw View Post
    It was never a dull moment with John & Wally. They really seemed like brothers on that show. It would have been nice to have seen that translated into the comics.
    I seem to remember Joe Kelly channelling a bit of that during his JLA run after John replaced Kyle on the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonpeace View Post
    Because Scott recognizes the importance of respecting the legacy of DC comics while incorporating elements from wider media that made new generations fall in love with the characters. This concept, I believe, is why Marvel has a higher retention rate when people cross over, they are more willing to adapt with changing sensibilities and incorporate popular ideas from outside of the comic lore into the lore; DC is far more hesitant about that. At least, that's my hypothesis based on personal experience.
    I totally agree with you. The rare exception would be Harley Quinn, imo.

    I'm actually blown away that DC will ignore popular outside adaptions for the same stale stuff.

    Or when they do use an outside the comics adaptation, like USMC John Stewart, they leave out all the subtleties, nuances, and storylines that made that interpretation work.

    John was in a star crossed romance that turned into a love triangle, had a buddy-cop/big brother with Wally West, had a down for whatever landlady, weird reunion with Kat, dealing with the Guardians, mentoring Supergirl, and more. John was constantly in situations that were out odds with his ultra-disciplined nature.

    That was vastly entertaining, to me.

    It was also worth noting he never caught the Bat-glare, nor any of Batman's sass directly. Batman was the star of the DCAU.

    John & Bruce interacted as equals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    I seem to remember Joe Kelly channelling a bit of that during his JLA run after John replaced Kyle on the team.
    I saw bits and pieces of them, but I wished it was solidified more.

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