Scott Summers: Cyclops Appreciation 2019

[CoCoBandz]

There's a case to be made that IvX is THE worst event in Marvel. Made no sense at the time, made less sense when they tried to rationalize it, explanations made it worse, talks with the editor made it MUCH worse ("peanut allergy"), and overall sits like a poisonous toad on top of the Marvel continuity chart.

IDK, man Axis was YIKES

ESPECIALLY for the X-Men. IVX was awful, but Axis was a travesty.

[wano]

IDK, man Axis was YIKES

ESPECIALLY for the X-Men. IVX was awful, but Axis was a travesty.

Axis was consequence free

[CoCoBandz]

Axis was consequence free

Really? The only thing that stuck in IVX was Emma being disliked(even more) by the X-Men.

Axis inverted Sabretooth and Havok for years and gave Red Skull Charles brain.

[wano]

Really? The only thing that stuck in IVX was Emma being disliked(even more) by the X-Men.

Axis inverted Sabretooth and Havok for years and gave Red Skull Charles brain.

Red skull got Xavier's brain before axis, and with havok and sabretooth nothing of value was lost

[TheCape]

Really? The only thing that stuck in IVX was Emma being disliked(even more) by the X-Men.

Axis inverted Sabretooth and Havok for years and gave Red Skull Charles brain.

Eh, i actually kind of digged the idea of an inverted Sabretooth, not as something permanent, but it could have been interrsting to explored. I enjoyed how in Bunn's wrote him on Uncanny.

[Gray Lensman]

Really? The only thing that stuck in IVX was Emma being disliked(even more) by the X-Men.

Axis inverted Sabretooth and Havok for years and gave Red Skull Charles brain.

Xavier was already dead and Skull wasn't used outside of...Remender. Havok was inverted but basically went back to the sidelines he was on before Remender pulled him off the bench. And Sabertooth did a stint as someone more heroic for a few years. Not like that hasn't happened before, especially with X-Men villains.

IvX (and the event that is intimately linked to it, Death of X) tried to use a garbage status quo change (and explain how it happened) yet everything on the page contradicted the meta-narrative Marvel was pushing.

Scott is EEEEvilllll with a bolded, enlarged, capital E. But worse. What did he do to have even those closest to him practically spitting in response to his name being mentioned? Ummm, as far as everyone knew, he got rid of a free floating cloud of Zyklon-B and got killed for it. Let me repeat that: He slowed the pace of a genocide and got named the new Hitler. Even by people who saw what happened with their own eyes.

IvX depends on that narrative in order to work. And, in the end, the very people who caused the problem were pushed as the heroes of the day for finally relenting. The whole post Secret Wars meta-narrative existed to push these events, and it was revealed to be a massive fraud that Marvel kept trying to insist was real.

Multiple Man and Cyclops were both killed to set this up, the first is back, but as a loser, and the second was revealed to be alive (again) just last issue. The damage to them, the X-Men as a whole, and (IMO) the credibility of Marvel comics is immense, even if it technically predates the event, it still was all done to support it.

Just because the stink of AXis continued after the event rather than tainting everything leading up to it doesn't mean it was worse - it just means the wind was blowing in a different direction.

[AJpyro]

Xavier was already dead and Skull wasn't used outside of...Remender. Havok was inverted but basically went back to the sidelines he was on before Remender pulled him off the bench. And Sabertooth did a stint as someone more heroic for a few years. Not like that hasn't happened before, especially with X-Men villains.

IvX (and the event that is intimately linked to it, Death of X) tried to use a garbage status quo change (and explain how it happened) yet everything on the page contradicted the meta-narrative Marvel was pushing.

Scott is EEEEvilllll with a bolded, enlarged, capital E. But worse. What did he do to have even those closest to him practically spitting in response to his name being mentioned? Ummm, as far as everyone knew, he got rid of a free floating cloud of Zyklon-B and got killed for it. Let me repeat that: He slowed the pace of a genocide and got named the new Hitler. Even by people who saw what happened with their own eyes.

IvX depends on that narrative in order to work. And, in the end, the very people who caused the problem were pushed as the heroes of the day for finally relenting. The whole post Secret Wars meta-narrative existed to push these events, and it was revealed to be a massive fraud that Marvel kept trying to insist was real.

Multiple Man and Cyclops were both killed to set this up, the first is back, but as a loser, and the second was revealed to be alive (again) just last issue. The damage to them, the X-Men as a whole, and (IMO) the credibility of Marvel comics is immense, even if it technically predates the event, it still was all done to support it.

Just because the stink of AXis continued after the event rather than tainting everything leading up to it doesn't mean it was worse - it just means the wind was blowing in a different direction.

Xavier-Skull had a cameo/role in the excellent Spurrier XL series. Strangely no one have a crap about him having Xavier's brain.

[xiyon]

Xavier was already dead and Skull wasn't used outside of...Remender. Havok was inverted but basically went back to the sidelines he was on before Remender pulled him off the bench. And Sabertooth did a stint as someone more heroic for a few years. Not like that hasn't happened before, especially with X-Men villains.

IvX (and the event that is intimately linked to it, Death of X) tried to use a garbage status quo change (and explain how it happened) yet everything on the page contradicted the meta-narrative Marvel was pushing.

Scott is EEEEvilllll with a bolded, enlarged, capital E. But worse. What did he do to have even those closest to him practically spitting in response to his name being mentioned? Ummm, as far as everyone knew, he got rid of a free floating cloud of Zyklon-B and got killed for it. Let me repeat that: He slowed the pace of a genocide and got named the new Hitler. Even by people who saw what happened with their own eyes.

IvX depends on that narrative in order to work. And, in the end, the very people who caused the problem were pushed as the heroes of the day for finally relenting. The whole post Secret Wars meta-narrative existed to push these events, and it was revealed to be a massive fraud that Marvel kept trying to insist was real.

Multiple Man and Cyclops were both killed to set this up, the first is back, but as a loser, and the second was revealed to be alive (again) just last issue. The damage to them, the X-Men as a whole, and (IMO) the credibility of Marvel comics is immense, even if it technically predates the event, it still was all done to support it.

Just because the stink of AXis continued after the event rather than tainting everything leading up to it doesn't mean it was worse - it just means the wind was blowing in a different direction.

Marvel's credibility as storytellers diminished, imho, during BMB's run. It became totally nonexistent in IvX.

Like, maybe it'd work if nobody else saw how Cyke was offed but....

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I think Marvel should make it a Requirement that the writers knows most of the charaters history before getting a job.

I don't know is 3am and I am sleepy xD lol

[AHRNIHAL]

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